# AirLens II and mods for Airlens I **URL:** \ **Category:** Network Audio\ **Created:** [May 22, 2025, 3:31pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/airlens-ii-and-mods-for-airlens-i/41744 "2025-05-22T15:31:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![algaudio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c5a1d2/32.png) [@algaudio](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/algaudio)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2025, 3:31pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/airlens-ii-and-mods-for-airlens-i/41744/1 "2025-05-22T15:31:03Z")
Since there is a Airlens “like” built into the latest PMG Dac , one would assume this latest built-in streamer is improved over the several years old Airlens. The assumption is that there will be a future stand alone Airlens II. Many folks will likely want to keep their existing Dacs and just upgrade their streamer. Do we have a delivery date on any potential Airlens II units ? And what kind of enhancements would be desirable Has anyone contemplated “Mods” for the Airlens I which might enhance it? ---
**Author:** ![pmotz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/pmotz/32/269612_2.png) [@pmotz](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/pmotz)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2025, 7:52pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/airlens-ii-and-mods-for-airlens-i/41744/2 "2025-05-22T19:52:14Z")
Paul has only said there is a streamer built-in the PMG DAC, no details that I am aware of. The description on the web page only says, “a built-in high-performance streamer”. Some folks have suggested it is based on the AirLens, but that’s a logical guess. There is nothing to indicate it is any better than the AirLens. If it is better or they are working on a better AirLens, I wouldn’t expect it any time soon, but maybe PS will surprise us … ---
**Author:** ![jll37](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71e660/32.png) [@jll37](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/jll37)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2025, 8:02pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/airlens-ii-and-mods-for-airlens-i/41744/3 "2025-05-22T20:02:26Z")
Paul just responded, on a post I put up, that the internal streamer is quite different in design than the AirLens and is a “bit” but “noticeably” better… ---
**Author:** ![Paul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/paul/32/6_2.png) [@Paul](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/Paul)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2025, 8:43pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/airlens-ii-and-mods-for-airlens-i/41744/4 "2025-05-22T20:43:18Z")
Just to be clear, the streamer inside the PMG DAC is a brand new beast, designed from the ground up after a lot of research and work. I wanted nothing but the best in my signature DAC and we engaged with a new engineering addition to PS, Peter. Peter’s an amazing programmer and engineer—young, energetic and he, along with mentor Doug Goldberg (former head of engineering at Northrup Gruman) have been instrumental in a number of recent innovations at the company. The streamer is really cool. Much more advanced than what’s in the AirLens and sounds better too…but not by gobs. Noticeably better but I wouldn’t say game changer. The thing with streamers is one isn’t necessarily better than another. At the end of the day, a streamer is connecting your DAC up to a distant server and acting as the conduit for the data. How it collects it and organizes it is a bit like FLAC or ALAC where the method used doesn’t really affect sound quality. It is bit perfect regardless of how you unpack it. That said, the interface, the Nosie levels, the lack or amount of jitter, the isolation, delivery method inside or outside the unit—these are the main factors that determine sound quality. etc. S I would suspect the sonic improvements, though small, are due to the fact the PMG streamer is internal and without connecting cables. And so on. Time may prove different but that’s my best right now. The AirLens remains one of the best streamers out there and a bargain at twice the price. ---
**Author:** ![pmotz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/pmotz/32/269612_2.png) [@pmotz](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/pmotz)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2025, 8:47pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/airlens-ii-and-mods-for-airlens-i/41744/5 "2025-05-22T20:47:58Z")
Thanks for that Paul! There wasn’t much information on the streamer so it wasn’t a stretch to think it was a variant of the AirLens. Does it still use a Convers Digital module? If not, how is it controlled? I sure like the idea of a new DAC with an integrated streamer, but I am quite content with DS Mk II and AirLens. I’m holding out on a decision until I see the trade-in offer. ---
**Author:** ![tomhail](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/tomhail/32/40944_2.png) [@tomhail](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/tomhail)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2025, 10:00pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/airlens-ii-and-mods-for-airlens-i/41744/6 "2025-05-22T22:00:19Z")
Paul stated on another thread this short peek into the tech: [PMG vs AirLens - #7 by Paul](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/pmg-vs-airlens/41738/7) ---
**Author:** ![algaudio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c5a1d2/32.png) [@algaudio](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/algaudio)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 8:19pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/airlens-ii-and-mods-for-airlens-i/41744/7 "2025-05-23T20:19:13Z")
So, does this mean the Airlens concept was maxed out and could not be integrated into the PMG line? The galvanic isolation aspect of the Airlens sounded pretty promising. ---
**Author:** ![scotte1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/scotte1/32/147_2.png) [@scotte1](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/scotte1)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 9:49pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/airlens-ii-and-mods-for-airlens-i/41744/8 "2025-05-23T21:49:07Z")
FWIW, it seems to me like the AirLens and the PMG built in streamer are two different pieces of kit addressing two different applications. In other words, I would not be surprised if the AirLens could be updated/evolve over time and improve as a standalone Ethernet Bridge/Streamer. Unless the PMG streamer kit is fundamentally better, it seems possible that there is more opportunity/room to work with the guts of the AirLens. I could be thinking about this incorrectly from a technical perspective though. 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![pmotz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/pmotz/32/269612_2.png) [@pmotz](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/pmotz)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 10:15pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/airlens-ii-and-mods-for-airlens-i/41744/9 "2025-05-23T22:15:22Z")
scotte1, I think you’ve got it right. The real question is, is the market big enough for a revised AirLens? I would suspect no, but that’s just me. ---
**Author:** ![scotte1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/scotte1/32/147_2.png) [@scotte1](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/scotte1)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 10:19pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/airlens-ii-and-mods-for-airlens-i/41744/10 "2025-05-23T22:19:49Z")
I think the “separates are better crowd” is large enough to support AirLens production for some time, but there are so many options out there; and time will tell. An aside…I did not mean to suggest I believed that the streamer technology in the PMG DAC would necessarily stand still. However, I do wonder how practical it will be to upgrade the internal streamer if advances are made. Cheers. ---
**Author:** ![weedeewop](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/weedeewop/32/190064_2.png) [@weedeewop](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/weedeewop)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 11:14pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/airlens-ii-and-mods-for-airlens-i/41744/11 "2025-05-23T23:14:02Z")
![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/psaudio/original/4X/b/a/f/baf59508deb5c3156731fd41f601cf2e14cf4c73.jpeg) Kinda like FW upgraded to the DSD Mk II. ---
**Author:** ![SCB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de053/32.png) [@SCB](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/SCB)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2025, 11:23pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/airlens-ii-and-mods-for-airlens-i/41744/12 "2025-05-23T23:23:23Z")
Well I just received my Airlens today and set it on top of the Eversolo(fits great) and connected it to my MKll with the cheapest hdmi cord you’ve ever seen and it really sounds nice. Clearer with more air around each instrument and cleaner. I ordered a AQ hdmi cable the same time I ordered the AL and AG just shipped it today. Terrible service. Can’t wait to get the better cord. Oh yea…using Qobuz Connect. Well worth the upgrade.