# Apple to offer lossless **URL:** \ **Category:** Network Audio\ **Created:** [May 17, 2021, 2:00pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/apple-to-offer-lossless/23683 "2021-05-17T14:00:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Veneet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/77aa72/32.png) [@Veneet](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/Veneet)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2021, 2:00pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/apple-to-offer-lossless/23683/1 "2021-05-17T14:00:37Z")
Thought there may be interest to some here > **[Apple Music announces Spatial Audio and Lossless Audio](https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/05/apple-music-announces-spatial-audio-and-lossless-audio/)** > > The next generation of sound on Apple Music is coming to subscribers June 2021 at no additional cost. ---
**Author:** ![Nieuwro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c77e96/32.png) [@Nieuwro](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/Nieuwro)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2021, 6:00pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/apple-to-offer-lossless/23683/2 "2021-05-17T18:00:20Z")
Wow, this definitely raises the bar. And it’s not just CD quality: - Apple Music’s Lossless tier **starts at CD quality** , 16 bit at 44.1 kHz (their full catalog) - **Goes up** to 24 bit at 48 kHz - Also **Hi-Resolution** all the way up to 24 bit at 192 kHz.1 (presumably only part of the catalog) That’s similar to Tidal and Qobuz. Big challenge for them. But I imagine this is only playable in the closed Apple eco-system, not on third party hardware. So its not relevant for me. Once Spotify launches their (announced) lossless, I am interested, as Spotify Connect runs on my Auralic streamer (and many others). Lastly - and Spotify will not like this - Apple lossless does **not** increase price! That is nice. ---
**Author:** ![joma0711](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/joma0711/32/277666_2.png) [@joma0711](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/joma0711)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2021, 6:34pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/apple-to-offer-lossless/23683/3 "2021-05-17T18:34:15Z")
the reg’s take on it > **[Apple announces lossless HD audio at no extra cost, then Amazon Music does...](https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/17/apple_amazon_lossless/)** > > You can't hear the difference anyway edit - ignore the sub heading, that’s just typical reg faux-tabloid style… ---
**Author:** ![Nieuwro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c77e96/32.png) [@Nieuwro](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/Nieuwro)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2021, 7:08pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/apple-to-offer-lossless/23683/4 "2021-05-17T19:08:57Z")
Don’t you love a little competition: Amazon dropping their premium charge for lossless, in response to Apple. Unfortunately, can’t play Amazon HD on much higher-end gear. Their own devices are basic. Believe only BlueSound integration is in place. Amazon’s weakness is that they are behind on deployment. So for now sticking with Qobuz, but will seriously consider Spotify’s loss-less as I find they have the best curation and user experience of all. ---
**Author:** ![Veneet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/77aa72/32.png) [@Veneet](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/Veneet)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2021, 8:58pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/apple-to-offer-lossless/23683/5 "2021-05-17T20:58:34Z")
I do love that competition has made the upgrade free and has forced Amazon to follow suit. My only hope is maybe Tidal will follow suit as I use it with Roon. It’s a shame that Amazon not Apple work through any other platform so easily. ---
**Author:** ![kerosene](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/kerosene/32/9084_2.png) [@kerosene](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/kerosene)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2021, 12:58am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/apple-to-offer-lossless/23683/6 "2021-05-18T00:58:40Z")
Agree competition is really good for consumers in the streaming market. I’m really eager to hear Apple’s service but I don’t see Apple offering integration with non-Apple components. Their track record is a controlled experience. Does high resolution truly offer benefits when played through HomePods or Bluetooth? ---
**Author:** ![Palouse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/palouse/32/93521_2.png) [@Palouse](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/Palouse)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2021, 1:41am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/apple-to-offer-lossless/23683/7 "2021-05-18T01:41:50Z")
Alas, all is not rosy in the Apple orchard: > **[Apple Music Lossless requires wired headphones - 9to5Mac](https://9to5mac.com/2021/05/17/apple-music-lossless-requires-wired-headphones-airpods-will-only-get-spatial-audio/)** > > Apple confirmed that Apple Music Lossless requires wired headphones. However, AirPods will get support for Spatial Audio with Dolby Atmos.