# Center image WAS driving me crazy! **URL:** \ **Category:** Everything Else\ **Created:** [November 22, 2022, 12:03pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/center-image-was-driving-me-crazy/31188 "2022-11-22T12:03:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![davida](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/davida/32/94292_2.png) [@davida](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/davida)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2023, 7:43pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/center-image-was-driving-me-crazy/31188/341 "2023-04-24T19:43:58Z")
So luca…how are you liking your new music room? Must be pretty amazing… Best wishes ---
**Author:** ![luca.pelliccioli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/luca.pelliccioli/32/93681_2.png) [@luca.pelliccioli](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/luca.pelliccioli)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2023, 10:59pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/center-image-was-driving-me-crazy/31188/342 "2023-04-24T22:59:38Z")
Thanks David. I completed speakers and subs set up, finding out by ears their best position. I managed with center diffusor, moving it a little bit forward and obtaining the right well focused image and really realistic voice on the soundstage. Now the speakers have completely disappeared and the soundstage dimensions are close to perfection. Still waiting for: 1 rug (ordered customized 3 month ago, ah the italian craftsmanship!), 2 sliding panels for the library on the rear wall, hand made to reproduce diffusors line 2 acoustic curtains, custom sized too, on the corners between sides and front wall. Until those things are installed, I was thinking it’s impossible to settle the room. It means that I was still struggling an unnatural reinforcement of bass area behind the speakers and a subtle lack of presence in lower mids. I also had some trouble rolling the tubes in my BHK pre, in fact replacing a pair of Gold Lions with a new matched pair, I got two of them faulty or noisy. Blah! Once I added the MSB DAC it suddenly fixed those issues, like the ice on the cake, it brought the right tonal balance and a wonderful liquid smoothness to the sound. All the electrical wires and receptacles are brand new and cold, it takes time you know but at that point I finally started enjoying the music with a big smile on my face. Playing CDs and streaming both became really engaging and the sound so vivid, embodied and full of life. Still haven’t tried to spin a record (this is the pinnacle proof and I promised to myself to keep this emotion for the great final). Fine tuning is still not complete but I think that 80% of the job is done. And I couldn’t be happier! It was a 9 month project, a challenge for a newbie like me, a big effort (an act of faith sometimes) investing time and money hard working and long reading to learn, understand, design. More than ever I can attest without any doubts: the room is the most important component of a system and the biggest variable able to affect the sound. ---
**Author:** ![ErVikingo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/ervikingo/32/251111_2.png) [@ErVikingo](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/ErVikingo)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2023, 11:04pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/center-image-was-driving-me-crazy/31188/343 "2023-04-24T23:04:20Z")
Your input is appreciated. In line with the discussion on this thread… > [@2112 Passage to Bangkok](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/2112-passage-to-bangkok/33426): > > Could I ask for a favor. I’m going crazy moving speakers around trying to see if i can get Geddy’s voice to come forward. Sounds like if he were singing inside a bucket. Similar with Qobuz, A HD, SACD, Regular CD. On the fancy transport, on the OPPO, on the Theta. Other tracks (my test ones) sound fantastic with great soundstage air and depth. (Lofgren Keith dont go live, Krall California Dreaming, Peer Lord Zuthula. etc). If it aint the mix, where should I move my speakers? ---
**Author:** ![scotte1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/scotte1/32/147_2.png) [@scotte1](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/scotte1)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 2:14am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/center-image-was-driving-me-crazy/31188/344 "2023-04-25T02:14:31Z")
Ready for some more pictures of your set up, when you are… If you don’t mind. Ciao ---
**Author:** ![JessieJim1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@JessieJim1](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/JessieJim1)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 3:51am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/center-image-was-driving-me-crazy/31188/345 "2023-04-25T03:51:46Z")
I think it could be a problem with the source of the material. You mentioned that the issue seems to happen more with electric guitars - is it possible that some recordings are mixed in a way that creates this effect? ---
**Author:** ![luca.pelliccioli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/luca.pelliccioli/32/93681_2.png) [@luca.pelliccioli](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/luca.pelliccioli)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 3:58am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/center-image-was-driving-me-crazy/31188/346 "2023-04-25T03:58:29Z")
Thanks @JessieJim1, I suppose you started reading this thread from the very beginning. It was November, a lot of things happened meanwhile… Guess what? I still haven’t played that John Cougar album in my new room. It’s on my list, of course. ---
**Author:** ![ErVikingo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/ervikingo/32/251111_2.png) [@ErVikingo](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/ErVikingo)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 10:31am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/center-image-was-driving-me-crazy/31188/347 "2023-04-25T10:31:35Z")
I’m going back through the thread and will try that Mellencamp. ---
**Author:** ![allan.thunes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f17d59/32.png) [@allan.thunes](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/allan.thunes)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 11:36am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/center-image-was-driving-me-crazy/31188/348 "2023-04-25T11:36:42Z")
> [@luca.pelliccioli](#): > > It was a 9 month project, a challenge for a newbie like me, a big effort (an act of faith sometimes) investing time and money hard working and long reading to learn, understand, design. The act of faith. Maybe you hope for perfection but expect something less. Hopefully the finished project (even though you’re never finished) is closer to perfection than minimum expectations. At the very least you’ll be able to say, “it’s the recording” if that distracting speaker ever reappears. ---
**Author:** ![ErVikingo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/ervikingo/32/251111_2.png) [@ErVikingo](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/ErVikingo)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 11:42am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/center-image-was-driving-me-crazy/31188/349 "2023-04-25T11:42:28Z")
Luca, what kind of diffuser did you go with? Quadratic, hemispherical, …? On an unrelated note, bad decision to run an update to my projector last night. The thing is bricked… Going back to OEM for correction. ---
**Author:** ![luca.pelliccioli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/luca.pelliccioli/32/93681_2.png) [@luca.pelliccioli](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/luca.pelliccioli)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 12:16pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/center-image-was-driving-me-crazy/31188/350 "2023-04-25T12:16:12Z")
Center front wall > **[Diffusore Quadratico Gotham N23 5" (14cm) - GIK ACOUSTICS ITALY](https://gikacoustics.it/prodotti/diffusore-quadratico-skyline-gotham-n23-5-pollice-14cm/)** > > Lo strabiliante diffusore quadratico skyline Gotham N23 5" offre ineguagliate perfomances nel controllare le riflessioni mantenendo allo stesso tempo presenza e vitalità nelle alte frequenze facendo suonare una stanza come se fosse più grande. Front wall left/right > **[MagnetFusor® N7 - Diffusore ad aggancio magnetico](https://www.oudimmoacousticdesign.com/prodotto/magnetfusor-n7-diffusore/)** > > MagnetFusor® N7 è un diffusore acustico a resto quadratico riposizionabile con aggancio magnetico Magnetic Panel Technology MPT® - Oudimmo Acoustic Design Side walls > **[MagnetFusor® MLS - diffusore ad aggancio magnetico](https://www.oudimmoacousticdesign.com/prodotto/magnetfusor-mls-diffusore-aggancio-magnetico/)** > > MagnetFusor® MLS è un diffusore passivo ad aggancio magnetico orientabile e riposizionabile per studi di registrazione, home theatre e hi-fi - OUDIMMO ---
**Author:** ![ErVikingo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/ervikingo/32/251111_2.png) [@ErVikingo](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/ErVikingo)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 12:30pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/center-image-was-driving-me-crazy/31188/351 "2023-04-25T12:30:41Z")
Grazie Luca (grandma was 100% Italian blood borne in what became part of the US). I have abfussers on the sides (Seven Audio [https://sevenaudio.eu/?post\_type=product](https://sevenaudio.eu/?post_type=product) ) My plan is to make stands that I can easily remove for movies. I like the GIK diffuser but it might be too heavy for my application. Looking a PI Audio ---
**Author:** ![luca.pelliccioli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/luca.pelliccioli/32/93681_2.png) [@luca.pelliccioli](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/luca.pelliccioli)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 1:19pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/center-image-was-driving-me-crazy/31188/352 "2023-04-25T13:19:58Z")
Here you are. Rock ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/psaudio/original/3X/9/e/9e809fd2c09f5fc20696dbea76784d35930c5246.jpeg) Jazz (Blue) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/psaudio/original/3X/1/a/1a00ec0482b4aafd1b3442fb5f685ac2ec4d1ddd.jpeg) Live ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/psaudio/original/3X/a/5/a51b6a0935c77282328143c41839f53745c0d068.jpeg) Right wall ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/psaudio/original/3X/6/6/662f3b3a2b108f8df6eb77863925ac1fedbc8f48.jpeg) Left wall ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/psaudio/original/3X/4/0/400b166b070d411059480f0e670c57ddcb60844b.jpeg) From front to rear wall ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/psaudio/original/3X/d/e/dea071ce84d3c51db81b992989e3521b91cd6381.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![ErVikingo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/ervikingo/32/251111_2.png) [@ErVikingo](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/ErVikingo)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 1:27pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/center-image-was-driving-me-crazy/31188/353 "2023-04-25T13:27:52Z")
My God. Awesome! What lighting are you using? ---
**Author:** ![davida](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/davida/32/94292_2.png) [@davida](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/davida)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 1:31pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/center-image-was-driving-me-crazy/31188/354 "2023-04-25T13:31:41Z")
Beautiful luca… Patience rewarded!!! For sure!!! 👏🏾 👏🏾 👏🏾 👏🏾 🎼 🎶 🎵 🎹 🎻 🎺 🎷 🪗 :🔈 🔉 🔊 Best wishes ---
**Author:** ![luca.pelliccioli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/luca.pelliccioli/32/93681_2.png) [@luca.pelliccioli](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/luca.pelliccioli)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 1:33pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/center-image-was-driving-me-crazy/31188/355 "2023-04-25T13:33:02Z")
Thanks. Philips hue > **[Smart lighting | Philips Hue US](https://www.philips-hue.com/en-us)** > > Explore Philips Hue smart lights! White and color smart LEDs lets you set the best light for daily routines and special moments. After a few years I learnt that lights may be fundamental both keeping in touch with different genres of listening music (according to your mood) and making speakers better disappear. Zillion of combinations available with a finger on my iPad. Very fun! ---
**Author:** ![luca.pelliccioli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/luca.pelliccioli/32/93681_2.png) [@luca.pelliccioli](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/luca.pelliccioli)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 1:34pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/center-image-was-driving-me-crazy/31188/356 "2023-04-25T13:34:34Z")
Thanks David, still a few things to do to consider the job done, if ever possible. ---
**Author:** ![dchang05](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/dchang05/32/294697_2.png) [@dchang05](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/dchang05)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 1:35pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/center-image-was-driving-me-crazy/31188/357 "2023-04-25T13:35:20Z")
You have been planning this so well and the result is stunning! I cannot imagine how much better the room sounds! Congratulations! ---
**Author:** ![luca.pelliccioli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/luca.pelliccioli/32/93681_2.png) [@luca.pelliccioli](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/luca.pelliccioli)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 1:40pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/center-image-was-driving-me-crazy/31188/358 "2023-04-25T13:40:38Z")
Thanks Donald. It sounds totally different than before, all the effort (and money) spent is paying a great divided, couldn’t be happier. Just recalling the thread I started… center image isn’t driving me crazy anymore and my soul is fully satisfied from the SYMMETRY I finally got. ---
**Author:** ![luca.pelliccioli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/luca.pelliccioli/32/93681_2.png) [@luca.pelliccioli](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/luca.pelliccioli)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 1:43pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/center-image-was-driving-me-crazy/31188/359 "2023-04-25T13:43:51Z")
A sincere thank to all of you guys from this forum and Paul and PS staff, all I learnt about my audiophile journey comes from you! ---
**Author:** ![dchang05](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/dchang05/32/294697_2.png) [@dchang05](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/dchang05)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 2:00pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/center-image-was-driving-me-crazy/31188/360 "2023-04-25T14:00:25Z")
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