I am siding with Al on this one. The biggest speakers I have ever seen in a room was a pair of Infinity IRSV - all1.2 tones of them - in a room where they were easily half of it. In fact, the couple, in a New York apartment, had to walk through them to get upstairs and to this day, still one of the best sounding systems ever.
Aside from looks and comfort, the too big for a room is a myth.
Harry Pearson’s Infinity IRS set-up in Sea Cliff comes to mind, and he was listening near field. I had believed a line source needs to be a proper distance from the listener to provide for a fully integrated sound.
How about “the speakers are too small for the room” myth? I have a 33’ deep and 9-14’ tall (sloped) room. I wanted to upgrade my FR30 to FR50 (with stone granite finish).
Tony, just so you know, the FR30’s sounded lousy in the larger room at the initial install, as apposed to the well-treated smaller room. Many passive and active treatments later, the larger room got better, and, I guess, all things being equal, a larger room is desired, but it is not a determinant, for a speaker to flourish.
Thank you, @straightwire. I would otherwise not have responded to this thread, but I’m choosing to because of your reasoned observations. There is no fight here. As far as I’m concerned these are all opinions driven by our own experience - even Paul’s. Panel speakers with closely spaced ribbons / planars, plus their typical dipole radiation actually have a better chance of working well in a smaller room than a larger dynamic driver speaker like a YG Anat or that Frankenbox Goldmund. The large spacing between drivers means optimal performance will require a given seating distance. The bigger the driver spacing, typically, the more distance is needed. Sure a good speaker can be made to sound good in most spaces, but we’re always trying to do better than what we did the last time. We can all buy what we want and place things wherever we want.
Getting back to the original post, just get the FR20’s. You might not desire any other speakers for at least 3 years (i bought a pair of FR20’s 3 years ago and still have zero desire to replace them).
Maybe the floor mats, and not Cardas Clear Cygnus speaker cables are the weak spot of the system, but I’m not ready to give up on my preamp, power amp and speakers all at once.
I am pretty much in agreement with you straightwire. I wish people didn’t get so tied up in knots over this issue. I have watched the video showing your room, and won’t disagree with the statement to “get the best speaker you can” but that phrase can be interpreted in different ways. My concern is a general one, and it’s about putting a physically large speaker in a space so limited that it cannot be moved around and placed anywhere that optimizes the sound. To make up an extreme example, if you can only place the speakers separated by three feet and the tweeter is four feet away from the woofer and three feet from the ceiling and you are listening only six feet away and each speaker is only a foot or so away from a wall you may never hear the speakers potential.
Room and loudspeaker are tightly coupled – speakers really can’t do much unless they can compress the air in a space with boundaries – so the relationship is very important. All things are possible, but some things are harder to do than others and just don’t lend themselves to optimization and may not be the best choice.
Really, if the correct answer is always the FR30 then the only reason (the only reason) for buying the FR5, FR10, or FR20 is because you can’t afford the FR30? I think there is more to it than that.
As someone who considered both the FR10 and FR20 for my listening/living room, I feel the need to remind all the audiophiles on this thread that sound quality is not the only issue that influences a buying decision. At my house, the issues of cost and aesthetics come into play as well.
If it were solely up to me, I would have purchased the FR20. It would have dominated our multipurpose living room, but I’m sure it would have sounded great – especially with the upgraded midrange of the FR20. The votes of both our home financial board and the aesthetics committee were deadlocked at one vote for the FR10 and one for the FR20. As is usual with a tie, the most financially sensible choice carried the day.
Fortunately, the FR10s have been great! They are really clear and natural sounding, and their smaller size and matte black finish help the speakers disappear in the room much better than the FR20s would have done. I recognize that the FR20s are a better sounding speaker (at over twice the price), but I would appreciate if everyone raving about the FR20s would stop contributing to the expanding inferiority complex of my FR10s. Thanks everybody for your sympathy and understanding!
It was mostly tongue in cheek. I was fortunate to be able to afford the FR10’s right before retirement. I’d not be making that kind of purchase now I don’t think.
The tweeter and midrange drivers in the FR20 and FR30 speakers are extraordinary. The ones in the FR10s are smaller but still sweet. The FR20s are busy from the front, but ungainly from the side. Still…