# Here's the correct way of measuring a Power Plant **URL:** \ **Category:** Power Components\ **Created:** [March 23, 2022, 12:43pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/heres-the-correct-way-of-measuring-a-power-plant/28261 "2022-03-23T12:43:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![davida](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/davida/32/94292_2.png) [@davida](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/davida)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 11:59pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/heres-the-correct-way-of-measuring-a-power-plant/28261/184 "2022-03-25T23:59:04Z")
Hey falling\_leaves It’s not you friend… I just checked and think the download page is not functioning properly…if jamesh could check that out for us… Best wishes ---
**Author:** ![wobblewobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/76d3ee/32.png) [@wobblewobble](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/wobblewobble)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 12:05am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/heres-the-correct-way-of-measuring-a-power-plant/28261/185 "2022-03-26T00:05:48Z")
> [@davida](#): > > It might be good to go read the product description as all the > information you requested is there… Isn’t that the crux of Amir’s video? Just curious - have you watched it? ---
**Author:** ![davida](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/davida/32/94292_2.png) [@davida](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/davida)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 12:11am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/heres-the-correct-way-of-measuring-a-power-plant/28261/186 "2022-03-26T00:11:49Z")
I did… not impressed with him at all… Best wishes ---
**Author:** ![chrisj1948](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/chrisj1948/32/15436_2.png) [@chrisj1948](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/chrisj1948)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 12:12am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/heres-the-correct-way-of-measuring-a-power-plant/28261/187 "2022-03-26T00:12:31Z")
> [@stevensegal](#): > > could bite the heads off bunny rabbits. Did I say that? Sorry that you have had a nasty dose of Covid, Steven. I can empathise with your feelings about rabbits, Ever since they destroyed my early rhubarb crop, not by eating it which I could understand, but by biting through the base of every stem. I have felt marked hostility to them. This also extends to pigeons (for regularly bombing on me from the Abbey roof when at school) and mice (for eating the fur lining out of my best boots). This post is off-topic, which is probably not a bad thing ☹ ---
**Author:** ![davida](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/davida/32/94292_2.png) [@davida](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/davida)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 12:14am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/heres-the-correct-way-of-measuring-a-power-plant/28261/188 "2022-03-26T00:14:32Z")
All threads to tend wander all over the place but yet come back on topic somehow… Best wishes ---
**Author:** ![wobblewobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/76d3ee/32.png) [@wobblewobble](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/wobblewobble)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 12:19am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/heres-the-correct-way-of-measuring-a-power-plant/28261/189 "2022-03-26T00:19:59Z")
> [@davida](#): > > I did… not impressed with him at all… Understood. I don’t think I’d enjoy a conversation with him. But taking him out of it for a moment, do you also doubt the measurements he shared? And technical questions he is asking PS Audio to clarify? ---
**Author:** ![tak1313](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@tak1313](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/tak1313)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 12:20am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/heres-the-correct-way-of-measuring-a-power-plant/28261/190 "2022-03-26T00:20:04Z")
Elaine : **You always break even**. Jerry : Yeah, I know; like yesterday I lost a job, and then I got another one, and then I missed a TV show, and later on they re-ran it. ---
**Author:** ![Shazb0t](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/shazb0t/32/135197_2.png) [@Shazb0t](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/Shazb0t)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 12:20am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/heres-the-correct-way-of-measuring-a-power-plant/28261/191 "2022-03-26T00:20:08Z")
You can quote the manual and what is printed on the website, but it is undeniably clear from the measurements that the P12 is NOT a full AC\>DC\>AC regenerator. It appears to be a partial regenerator and the manual and website should be updated to clarify this. @Paul care to weigh in on this concern directly? ---
**Author:** ![vkennedy61](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/vkennedy61/32/41241_2.png) [@vkennedy61](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/vkennedy61)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 12:22am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/heres-the-correct-way-of-measuring-a-power-plant/28261/192 "2022-03-26T00:22:02Z")
> [@Shazb0t](#): > > care to answer the question directly? Do you own a P12? Are you interested in purchasing a P12? I ask, because you’ve been on the forum for less then a month and seem to almost exclusively post in P12 forums. ---
**Author:** ![davida](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/davida/32/94292_2.png) [@davida](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/davida)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 12:23am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/heres-the-correct-way-of-measuring-a-power-plant/28261/193 "2022-03-26T00:23:43Z")
Shazb0t… All you like to do is argue and go around in circles… Tootle Loo Best wishes ---
**Author:** ![st50maint](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@st50maint](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/st50maint)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 12:24am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/heres-the-correct-way-of-measuring-a-power-plant/28261/194 "2022-03-26T00:24:07Z")
> **[US7259705B2.pdf](https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/08/7e/80/11d8f76bffacbd/US7259705B2.pdf)** > > 660.83 KB ---
**Author:** ![davida](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/davida/32/94292_2.png) [@davida](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/davida)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 12:26am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/heres-the-correct-way-of-measuring-a-power-plant/28261/195 "2022-03-26T00:26:48Z")
Good show st50maint… Some people just like to belittle, berate and argue endlessly… Thanks Best wishes ---
**Author:** ![Shazb0t](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/shazb0t/32/135197_2.png) [@Shazb0t](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/Shazb0t)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 12:27am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/heres-the-correct-way-of-measuring-a-power-plant/28261/196 "2022-03-26T00:27:26Z")
You’re super keen on deflection. The question is simple. If you market a device as a full AC power regenerator and sell it for $5.5K talking about perfect regenerated sine waves, shouldn’t it actually do that? Maybe you don’t care, but the truth matters. ---
**Author:** ![vkennedy61](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/vkennedy61/32/41241_2.png) [@vkennedy61](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/vkennedy61)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 12:28am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/heres-the-correct-way-of-measuring-a-power-plant/28261/197 "2022-03-26T00:28:18Z")
I’m super keen on trying to understand your motivation. If you can’t answer either of those two questions, you end up appearing like a troll. ---
**Author:** ![tak1313](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@tak1313](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/tak1313)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 12:28am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/heres-the-correct-way-of-measuring-a-power-plant/28261/198 "2022-03-26T00:28:51Z")
Perhaps it’s “Putin-esque zeal and cult like devotion.” Perhaps this thread should be shut down, as it is turning into a Troll-fest. ---
**Author:** ![davida](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/davida/32/94292_2.png) [@davida](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/davida)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 12:30am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/heres-the-correct-way-of-measuring-a-power-plant/28261/199 "2022-03-26T00:30:33Z")
> [@vkennedy61](#): > > I’m super keen on trying to understand your motivation. If you can’t answer either of those two questions, you end up appearing like a troll. You nailed it right on the head…appears to be a troll… Best wishes ---
**Author:** ![Shazb0t](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/shazb0t/32/135197_2.png) [@Shazb0t](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/Shazb0t)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 12:32am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/heres-the-correct-way-of-measuring-a-power-plant/28261/200 "2022-03-26T00:32:15Z")
Nothing trolling about an honest question regarding the basic claim of operation for this device. Seriously, it never even occurred to me the P12 wouldn’t actually do full AC\>DC\>AC power regeneration. It’s literally marketed to do exactly that! Is the P20 also a partial regenerator? What is the rationale for changing from full to partial in these newer lines? Doing partial regeneration makes it impossible to clean the AC as well as full, which is why you see the higher noise floor as now it’s additive with the P12’s own noise. The entire point of these devices was to perform full AC\>DC\>AC regeneration. That’s generally why they are large, heavy, and expensive. ---
**Author:** ![stevensegal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/35a633/32.png) [@stevensegal](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/stevensegal)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 12:33am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/heres-the-correct-way-of-measuring-a-power-plant/28261/201 "2022-03-26T00:33:48Z")
We were having a perfectly sensible discussion about rabbits and along comes @Shazb0t wanting PS Audio to rewrite their manual. Bloody cheek. ---
**Author:** ![tak1313](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@tak1313](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/tak1313)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 12:35am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/heres-the-correct-way-of-measuring-a-power-plant/28261/202 "2022-03-26T00:35:01Z")
It is trolling when you phrase it in confrontational and antagonistic ways. ---
**Author:** ![vkennedy61](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/vkennedy61/32/41241_2.png) [@vkennedy61](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/vkennedy61)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 12:36am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/heres-the-correct-way-of-measuring-a-power-plant/28261/203 "2022-03-26T00:36:28Z")
> [@stevensegal](#): > > We were having a perfectly sensible discussion about rabbits and along comes @Shazb0t wanting PS Audio to rewrite their [manual](https://www.psaudio.com/support/manuals/). You mean the @Shazb0t who can’t answer two simple questions and is showing up like a troll? That @Shazb0t? Perhaps he works for Consumer Reports and he’s on a crusade to save us? [Previous page](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/heres-the-correct-way-of-measuring-a-power-plant/28261.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/heres-the-correct-way-of-measuring-a-power-plant/28261.md?page=11)