# High End Espresso Machine Buying Guide & Remarks Regarding Roon, Harman & Samsung **URL:** \ **Category:** Network Audio\ **Created:** [November 27, 2023, 7:32pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/high-end-espresso-machine-buying-guide-remarks-regarding-roon-harman-samsung/35816 "2023-11-27T19:32:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![joma0711](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/joma0711/32/277666_2.png) [@joma0711](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/joma0711)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2023, 11:29pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/high-end-espresso-machine-buying-guide-remarks-regarding-roon-harman-samsung/35816/22 "2023-11-28T23:29:24Z")
It does speak DSD (with a plugin installed) and _seemed_ to handle it ok when I tried it (via DoP with a RME ADI2) I just didn’t use it very much, as it seemed best to resample everything (including the DSD stuff) to e.g. 384/352 with my main DAC. It resamples on the fly (in the player, I haven’t tried the server-side resampling) to PCM if you want. I think it was DSD 256 I used, would have to check. I use one Squeezelite player at 24/192 or sometimes 24/96 max with a SPDIF HAT, and the other up to 768 kHz SR on USB (the latter being a Pi4). I found it best to resample / upsample everything to something that suits the particular DAC I’m using at the time 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![stevem2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@stevem2](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/stevem2)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 1:15am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/high-end-espresso-machine-buying-guide-remarks-regarding-roon-harman-samsung/35816/23 "2023-11-29T01:15:27Z")
Harman’s record with acquisitions is pretty bad, but better them than some private equity outfit that would just come in and cut cut cut. ---
**Author:** ![vkennedy61](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/vkennedy61/32/41241_2.png) [@vkennedy61](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/vkennedy61)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 2:01am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/high-end-espresso-machine-buying-guide-remarks-regarding-roon-harman-samsung/35816/24 "2023-11-29T02:01:20Z")
Harman isn’t a software company. There must be something on their roadmap that includes streaming. Perhaps it’s RAAT. Maybe it’s a scaled down version of Roon on firmware inside an integrated or a Home Theater receiver. If it goes sideways, we do have other choices. I’d prefer Roon to survive, but given the choice between losing my espresso machine or Roon, espresso wins every time. ---
**Author:** ![kerosene](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/kerosene/32/9084_2.png) [@kerosene](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/kerosene)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 2:01am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/high-end-espresso-machine-buying-guide-remarks-regarding-roon-harman-samsung/35816/25 "2023-11-29T02:01:36Z")
I agree. I wonder if Sound United was a potential buyer? > **[DEI Holdings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEI_Holdings)** > > DEI Holdings is the US parent company of several brands of consumer audio electronics and vehicle security/remote start systems. DEI Holdings is owned by New York City and Boston-based private equity firm Charlesbank Capital Partners. > The company that became DEI Holdings was founded by future US Representative Darrell Issa and his wife Kathy in 1982 as Directed Electronics, with Darrell Issa serving as the first CEO. In 2000, Darrell Issa was elected to the House of Representatives, and Jim Mi... ---
**Author:** ![AllenP1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@AllenP1](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/AllenP1)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 2:14am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/high-end-espresso-machine-buying-guide-remarks-regarding-roon-harman-samsung/35816/26 "2023-11-29T02:14:50Z")
One article I saw (Technobezz) suggests that some of the synergies may be with Samsung Mobile: Enno Vandermeer, CEO of Roon, emphasized the benefits of joining forces, gaining scale, resources, and the reach of a global technology leader. While Roon retains its independence for business growth, it brings its expertise in data management and consumer engagement to all of Harman’s partners, including Samsung Mobile. This collaboration signifies a union of strengths, promising an enriched audio experience for consumers across various devices. ---
**Author:** ![umiami91](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/umiami91/32/160007_2.png) [@umiami91](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/umiami91)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 2:49am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/high-end-espresso-machine-buying-guide-remarks-regarding-roon-harman-samsung/35816/27 "2023-11-29T02:49:18Z")
That is a man that takes his coffee seriously. I have a mere Nespresso. I’ve been told I need to buy a Jura. I don’t know that I drink enough coffee to justify it yet. ---
**Author:** ![vkennedy61](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/vkennedy61/32/41241_2.png) [@vkennedy61](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/vkennedy61)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 4:31am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/high-end-espresso-machine-buying-guide-remarks-regarding-roon-harman-samsung/35816/28 "2023-11-29T04:31:57Z")
Be aware that Jura’s typically last five years. There’s some repair options, but limited. For that price you can get a very nice and repairable espresso machine. If you want to make a change and want to geek out a bit in the morning, I suggest you get an espresso machine and start making Caffe Americano, Long Black, Machiatto, Cappuccino, Caffe Latte, and Espresso. Once you have your process down it won’t take much more than five minutes to make a drink. The taste will be your reward every day. ---
**Author:** ![straightwire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/straightwire/32/123306_2.png) [@straightwire](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/straightwire)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 5:16am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/high-end-espresso-machine-buying-guide-remarks-regarding-roon-harman-samsung/35816/29 "2023-11-29T05:16:13Z")
I run every day on Caffe Americano (not Dunkin’s, yuk). I take it from home or Starbucks but best from a machine like yours, or just about any place in Italy. ---
**Author:** ![vkennedy61](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/vkennedy61/32/41241_2.png) [@vkennedy61](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/vkennedy61)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 5:53am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/high-end-espresso-machine-buying-guide-remarks-regarding-roon-harman-samsung/35816/30 "2023-11-29T05:53:40Z")
Coffee making is a funny thing for me. In reality I spend 10 minutes from start to cleanup making two Americano and typically drinking only half of the second. It sets the tone for rest of the day. Ten minutes for sixteen hours, not a bad investment. ---
**Author:** ![aangen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/aangen/32/295709_2.png) [@aangen](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/aangen)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 8:49am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/high-end-espresso-machine-buying-guide-remarks-regarding-roon-harman-samsung/35816/31 "2023-11-29T08:49:36Z")
Roon Radio, which I originally couldn’t imagine a use for, is my current favorite way to listen. It seems the way I have it tuned it knows what I like. The interesting new thing, it has been including new releases from the last thirty days or so. New music, from new to me artists, that I very much enjoy. I believe it is finally, radio the way it should be. It’s more than useful. It’s entertaining. ---
**Author:** ![tony22](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f04885/32.png) [@tony22](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/tony22)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 12:58pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/high-end-espresso-machine-buying-guide-remarks-regarding-roon-harman-samsung/35816/32 "2023-11-29T12:58:16Z")
Up until recently I was still using my grandmother’s Moka pot. 😀 It did as good a job as the big arse imported from Italy machine in my father’s restaurant - except for the steaming of milk, of course.Since we’ve moved to an induction top stove, I’ll have to find a different way to do my Italian coffee. I suspect I’ll just try to find an induction capable Moka. ---
**Author:** ![brian.fitterman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bbce88/32.png) [@brian.fitterman](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/brian.fitterman)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 1:13pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/high-end-espresso-machine-buying-guide-remarks-regarding-roon-harman-samsung/35816/33 "2023-11-29T13:13:55Z")
> [@aangen](#): > > The interesting new thing, it has been including new releases from the last thirty days or so. New music, from new to me artists, that I very much enjoy. That is interesting as it seemed to pic the same things over and over for me. I will have to give that a try. ---
**Author:** ![wudai\_e](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/wudai_e/32/127482_2.png) [@wudai\_e](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/wudai_e)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 1:47pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/high-end-espresso-machine-buying-guide-remarks-regarding-roon-harman-samsung/35816/34 "2023-11-29T13:47:29Z")
Instead of a “knee jerk” reaction, which I often do in the distant past, I’d say finally we can see Apple Music in Roon? ---
**Author:** ![brian.fitterman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bbce88/32.png) [@brian.fitterman](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/brian.fitterman)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 1:58pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/high-end-espresso-machine-buying-guide-remarks-regarding-roon-harman-samsung/35816/35 "2023-11-29T13:58:14Z")
> [@wudai\_e](#): > > I’d say finally we can see Apple Music in [Roon](https://roonlabs.com/)? Not sure that was Roon holding it back. My guess it was Apple not wanting to expose their API/interface to an external entity ---
**Author:** ![wudai\_e](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/wudai_e/32/127482_2.png) [@wudai\_e](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/wudai_e)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 2:00pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/high-end-espresso-machine-buying-guide-remarks-regarding-roon-harman-samsung/35816/36 "2023-11-29T14:00:44Z")
I could be mistaken, but seems Eversolo support AppleMusic not via Airplay? ---
**Author:** ![JohannSeb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8c91f0/32.png) [@JohannSeb](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/JohannSeb)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 2:08pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/high-end-espresso-machine-buying-guide-remarks-regarding-roon-harman-samsung/35816/37 "2023-11-29T14:08:42Z")
I was blissfully unaware of the sheer extent of the various parallel coffee rabbit holes (espresso machine, grinder, roaster) when my first trip to Bologna introduced me to the Real Thing. As a result my present machine cost more than the Mk2 DAC. ---
**Author:** ![brian.fitterman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bbce88/32.png) [@brian.fitterman](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/brian.fitterman)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 2:22pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/high-end-espresso-machine-buying-guide-remarks-regarding-roon-harman-samsung/35816/38 "2023-11-29T14:22:20Z")
Airplay is supported by Roon as you stated, but Eversolo is Android at its base. So it streams via an Apple app. Apple did not open API for it. Their app is supported via the custom Android OS Eversolo runs under. ---
**Author:** ![umiami91](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/umiami91/32/160007_2.png) [@umiami91](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/umiami91)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 2:51pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/high-end-espresso-machine-buying-guide-remarks-regarding-roon-harman-samsung/35816/39 "2023-11-29T14:51:24Z")
To the best of my knowledge, the only outside, non-Android system Apple has opened the API to is Sonos, and the interface within the Sonos app ain’t great. If you’re searching from the base Sonos search box, it’s fine, but otherwise it is pretty terrible. ---
**Author:** ![umiami91](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/umiami91/32/160007_2.png) [@umiami91](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/umiami91)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 2:55pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/high-end-espresso-machine-buying-guide-remarks-regarding-roon-harman-samsung/35816/40 "2023-11-29T14:55:42Z")
Right now I depend upon an AeroPress. Much like I came late to both motorcycles and audiophile gear, I came late to coffee. Sad because I could have been a far more effective Air Force officer had I been running on coffee instead of Pepsi. I’m a late bloomer I guess. Thanks for the hints. Right now my AeroPress fuels the morning. It’s my only alternative to the execrable Keurig someone brought in and left, presumably because it makes the worst coffee known to man. That’s really sad about the Jura reliability. Same with Kitchen Aid mixers now. I’d really like kitchen appliances that last more than five years. ---
**Author:** ![Baldy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/baldy/32/223847_2.png) [@Baldy](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/Baldy)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 4:08pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/high-end-espresso-machine-buying-guide-remarks-regarding-roon-harman-samsung/35816/41 "2023-11-29T16:08:29Z")
> [@umiami91](#): > > Same with Kitchen Aid mixers now. I’d really like kitchen appliances that last more than five years. Funny you should say that. I have an engineer friend who spent a few years with Whirlpool / Kitchen aid / Maytag making sure that 5 years was the life of the machine. Not 25 years or more as they had been up until that point in time. [Previous page](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/high-end-espresso-machine-buying-guide-remarks-regarding-roon-harman-samsung/35816.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/high-end-espresso-machine-buying-guide-remarks-regarding-roon-harman-samsung/35816.md?page=3)