# Neil Young’s Lonely Quest to Save Music: He says low-quality streaming is hurting our songs and our brains. Is he right? **URL:** \ **Category:** Everything Else\ **Created:** [August 20, 2019, 2:21pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/neil-young-s-lonely-quest-to-save-music-he-says-low-quality-streaming-is-hurting-our-songs-and-our-brains-is-he-right/12329 "2019-08-20T14:21:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bootzilla](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/bootzilla/32/1598_2.png) [@bootzilla](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/bootzilla)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 2:21pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/neil-young-s-lonely-quest-to-save-music-he-says-low-quality-streaming-is-hurting-our-songs-and-our-brains-is-he-right/12329/1 "2019-08-20T14:21:32Z")
G@d bless Neil Young! > **[Neil Young’s Lonely Quest to Save Music](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/20/magazine/neil-young-streaming-music.html)** > > He says low-quality streaming is hurting our songs and our brains. Is he right? ---
**Author:** ![Somppsa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/somppsa/32/11679_2.png) [@Somppsa](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/Somppsa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 2:37pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/neil-young-s-lonely-quest-to-save-music-he-says-low-quality-streaming-is-hurting-our-songs-and-our-brains-is-he-right/12329/2 "2019-08-20T14:37:03Z")
Without even reading the article,yes. Yes it hurts my brain to listen low quality sound 😅 ---
**Author:** ![winston007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/winston007/32/9934_2.png) [@winston007](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/winston007)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 2:45pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/neil-young-s-lonely-quest-to-save-music-he-says-low-quality-streaming-is-hurting-our-songs-and-our-brains-is-he-right/12329/3 "2019-08-20T14:45:51Z")
I love Neil, but sometimes I just don’t know what to think. ---
**Author:** ![brett66](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/brett66/32/92201_2.png) [@brett66](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/brett66)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 2:49pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/neil-young-s-lonely-quest-to-save-music-he-says-low-quality-streaming-is-hurting-our-songs-and-our-brains-is-he-right/12329/4 "2019-08-20T14:49:52Z")
Hate is such a strong word. I can’t view the article in totality but I hope he knows he’s pissin’ into the wind on this one (again should have learned with Pono) Of course our brains work harder to fill in the missing or drop the unneeded info but the masses couldn’t care less He comes across as a very unhappy individual ---
**Author:** ![bootzilla](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/bootzilla/32/1598_2.png) [@bootzilla](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/bootzilla)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 2:53pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/neil-young-s-lonely-quest-to-save-music-he-says-low-quality-streaming-is-hurting-our-songs-and-our-brains-is-he-right/12329/5 "2019-08-20T14:53:08Z")
> [@brett66](#): > > pissin’ into the wind Ha ha, I see what you did [there](https://genius.com/7509151)! ---
**Author:** ![brett66](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/brett66/32/92201_2.png) [@brett66](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/brett66)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/neil-young-s-lonely-quest-to-save-music-he-says-low-quality-streaming-is-hurting-our-songs-and-our-brains-is-he-right/12329/6 "2019-08-20T14:57:14Z")
Not intentionally but yeah, yeah that’s what I did 😉 I enjoy the crap out of low bitrate internet streams that I would otherwise never experience much of what I hear and some of it I go seek out better for my library ---
**Author:** ![badbeef](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/badbeef/32/142_2.png) [@badbeef](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/badbeef)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 3:00pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/neil-young-s-lonely-quest-to-save-music-he-says-low-quality-streaming-is-hurting-our-songs-and-our-brains-is-he-right/12329/7 "2019-08-20T15:00:01Z")
I was a Pono Kickstarter donator (yellow, no signature). Still have it somewhere. People were bringing them to shows for a while to try headphones on, and there was a brief bunch of balanced cables made for them. I was teaching at an art college with a serious studio ($2M) and my students didn’t get it. Primarily due to the triangular form factor. Doesn’t fit in the pocket. ---
**Author:** ![rajugsw](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/rajugsw/32/16086_2.png) [@rajugsw](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/rajugsw)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 3:39pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/neil-young-s-lonely-quest-to-save-music-he-says-low-quality-streaming-is-hurting-our-songs-and-our-brains-is-he-right/12329/8 "2019-08-20T15:39:20Z")
I have the $20USD/year subscription to NYA. A bargoon in this age of Qobuz & Tidal. Of course if you’re not into Neil Young and his various cohorts over the years. Then it’s not for you. Seen him twice live (‘85 & ‘91). As Bootzilla said “God Bless Neil Young”. For the Haters, listen to his music first and don’t let his Politics get in the way of your ears or your Soul (get it…Mr. Soul). I got a million of ‘em…try the Veal folks. To write Ohio after the shootings in 1970 Kent State in Ohio. To write Alabama in 1972. Keep on Rocking on the Free World (just listen the biting lyrics). And Agent Orange used that song and NY had to send him a cease and assist. The irony. Neil Young entered The United States of America illegally back in ‘65 (or was it ‘66). Please read his book Waging Heavy Peace (it’s as good as 99%). He truly writes like his father. ---
**Author:** ![bootzilla](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/bootzilla/32/1598_2.png) [@bootzilla](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/bootzilla)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 3:42pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/neil-young-s-lonely-quest-to-save-music-he-says-low-quality-streaming-is-hurting-our-songs-and-our-brains-is-he-right/12329/9 "2019-08-20T15:42:03Z")
_Ain’t singin’ for Pepsi_ _Ain’t singin’ for Coke_ _I don’t sing for nobody_ _Makes me look like a joke_ _This note’s for you._ _Ain’t singin’ for Miller_ _Don’t sing for Bud_ _I won’t sing for politicians_ _Ain’t singin’ for Spuds_ _This note’s for you._ Neil Young, “This Note’s for You” (1988) ---
**Author:** ![brett66](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/brett66/32/92201_2.png) [@brett66](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/brett66)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 3:49pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/neil-young-s-lonely-quest-to-save-music-he-says-low-quality-streaming-is-hurting-our-songs-and-our-brains-is-he-right/12329/10 "2019-08-20T15:49:21Z")
I agree, the Pono missed the mark ergonomically. Great shape to set it on a table or shelf but certainly not in a pocket - he probably carries his in a fanny pack! lol I do like the vast majority of his music, I’m just saddened that he appears to be so angry ---
**Author:** ![rajugsw](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/rajugsw/32/16086_2.png) [@rajugsw](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/rajugsw)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/neil-young-s-lonely-quest-to-save-music-he-says-low-quality-streaming-is-hurting-our-songs-and-our-brains-is-he-right/12329/11 "2019-08-20T15:58:27Z")
Who ever said we Canadian’s are so nice haven’t dealt with me & my B.S. So with Neil Young it’s anger/sarcasm/dry wit. I get where he’s coming from. Pono, LincVolt, and finally he’s hit his stride with the Neil Young Archives website and $20 subscription. ALL other classic rock/jazz artists should follow his lead IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![1cdfoley](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/1cdfoley/32/101112_2.png) [@1cdfoley](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/1cdfoley)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 4:09pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/neil-young-s-lonely-quest-to-save-music-he-says-low-quality-streaming-is-hurting-our-songs-and-our-brains-is-he-right/12329/12 "2019-08-20T16:09:02Z")
Neil might be right, I just can’t think at this moment. Oh yeah, now I recall that there are hundreds of other mind destroying things in our lives. Neil has some competition. His best competitors may be … (purposeful pause to allow serious opines). Beef please pass the beer nuts. Chas ---
**Author:** ![bootzilla](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/bootzilla/32/1598_2.png) [@bootzilla](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/bootzilla)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/neil-young-s-lonely-quest-to-save-music-he-says-low-quality-streaming-is-hurting-our-songs-and-our-brains-is-he-right/12329/13 "2019-08-20T16:18:25Z")
> [@brett66](#): > > I’m just saddened that he appears to be so angry I, on the other hand, am grateful that Neil is mad as hell and not going to take it anymore. Somebody needs to call B.S. on what is happening in the music industry (and the farming industry, but that is another story). ---
**Author:** ![brett66](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/brett66/32/92201_2.png) [@brett66](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/brett66)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 4:21pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/neil-young-s-lonely-quest-to-save-music-he-says-low-quality-streaming-is-hurting-our-songs-and-our-brains-is-he-right/12329/14 "2019-08-20T16:21:46Z")
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**Author:** ![badbeef](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/badbeef/32/142_2.png) [@badbeef](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/badbeef)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/neil-young-s-lonely-quest-to-save-music-he-says-low-quality-streaming-is-hurting-our-songs-and-our-brains-is-he-right/12329/15 "2019-08-20T16:32:35Z")
I think I saw that come up on Netflix recently. Gotta rewatch it. Fun movie. ---
**Author:** ![badbeef](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/badbeef/32/142_2.png) [@badbeef](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/badbeef)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 4:35pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/neil-young-s-lonely-quest-to-save-music-he-says-low-quality-streaming-is-hurting-our-songs-and-our-brains-is-he-right/12329/16 "2019-08-20T16:35:17Z")
I’m sure if I had ingested half of what he, or Keef have ingested, I’d be dead ; ) ---
**Author:** ![michaelhifi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a5b964/32.png) [@michaelhifi](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/michaelhifi)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 5:52pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/neil-young-s-lonely-quest-to-save-music-he-says-low-quality-streaming-is-hurting-our-songs-and-our-brains-is-he-right/12329/17 "2019-08-21T17:52:52Z")
This site needs a thumbs down/dislike button. Low quality streaming is not the issue, poorly recorded music is a far greater problem. I have found a ton of “Audiophile” Vinyl pressings, DSD downloads, Hi-Rez streaming, and everything in between can sound from great to poor at best. The music world has changed and today’s generation utilize steaming music. My college age kids love music in any form they can access it. My daughter loves Vinyl and when home from college will listen with me. When she finds something she loves she will pull it up on her phone (Apple music, Spotify, or whatever) and listen. She gets just as much joy out of listening on her phone as she does listening with me in my music room. ---
**Author:** ![audiophilehi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/audiophilehi/32/15683_2.png) [@audiophilehi](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/audiophilehi)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2019, 9:38pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/neil-young-s-lonely-quest-to-save-music-he-says-low-quality-streaming-is-hurting-our-songs-and-our-brains-is-he-right/12329/18 "2019-08-21T21:38:13Z")
The continuing loudness wars are killing music as well but that’s for another thread. ---
**Author:** ![brett66](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/brett66/32/92201_2.png) [@brett66](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/brett66)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 12:34am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/neil-young-s-lonely-quest-to-save-music-he-says-low-quality-streaming-is-hurting-our-songs-and-our-brains-is-he-right/12329/19 "2019-08-22T00:34:34Z")
> [@New music that doesn't s\*\*k](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/new-music-that-doesnt-s-k/12132): > > I have a number of favorite albums or genres on Roon, where the world is my oyster (sort of). This, combined with my ripped library, provides hours of enjoyment. Thing is, I know there’s a LOT out there that I’d like to hear, but if I check in on “Latest”, “Upcoming”, or just sample around, it seems like so much new music is bunk. Autotuner? I’m allergic. Rap? Nuh-ugh. Hyper-egoic divas? You can have 'em. So often, I try to find new stuff, only to physically cringe and go back to what I know. … ---
**Author:** ![bootzilla](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/bootzilla/32/1598_2.png) [@bootzilla](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/bootzilla)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 12:40am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/neil-young-s-lonely-quest-to-save-music-he-says-low-quality-streaming-is-hurting-our-songs-and-our-brains-is-he-right/12329/20 "2019-08-22T00:40:54Z")
> [@michaelhifi](#): > > This site needs a thumbs down/dislike button. Why? > [@michaelhifi](#): > > Low quality streaming is not the issue, poorly recorded music is > a far greater problem. They are both problems. People who listen to lossless TIDAL and/or Qobuz are spoiled. [Most people are listening to low-bit-rate music on YouTube](https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/how-did-youtube-become-the-most-popular-music-streaming-site-by-sounding-like-the-world-itself/2019/07/30/f7428388-afdd-11e9-8e77-03b30bc29f64_story.html). > [@michaelhifi](#): > > She gets just as much joy out of listening on her phone as she does listening with me in my music room. That is awesome for her, but what about the millions of young people today who don’t have a parent with a high-end sound system and who listen to YouTube streams on their phones via $10 earbuds and think that is how music is supposed to sound? [Next page](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/neil-young-s-lonely-quest-to-save-music-he-says-low-quality-streaming-is-hurting-our-songs-and-our-brains-is-he-right/12329.md?page=2)