# Octave Records: two 45-rpm selections
**URL:** https://forum.psaudio.com/t/octave-records-two-45-rpm-selections/33923
**Category:** Octave Records
**Created:** [June 3, 2023, 7:55pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/octave-records-two-45-rpm-selections/33923 "2023-06-03T19:55:28Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@akro](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/akro)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2023, 7:55pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/octave-records-two-45-rpm-selections/33923/1 "2023-06-03T19:55:28Z")
My two favorite Octave DSD downloads are: Say Somethin’ and Temporary Circumstances (which btw is an album of Clandestine Amigo, the band of Jessica Carson, director of Octave Records). I use them as references for any change I make in my system.
I want to directly compare Octave’s DSD and vinyl versions of these recordings, to further explore the difference in SQ between my DAC setup and vinyl setup.
Well, it turns out that Octave sees these albums as special too and has produced the vinyls at 45 rpm. I understand that these are the only 45-rpm Octave vinyls.
They arrived today instead of next Tuesday.
Also arriving today is the 180-gram vinyl, The Best of Eva Cassidy, from Blix Street Records, her recording label.
A fun work/appreciation-day of these 3 vinyls is in store.
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### Author:  [@akro](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/akro)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2023, 8:33pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/octave-records-two-45-rpm-selections/33923/2 "2023-06-03T20:33:15Z")
the 2 record set for The Best of Cassidy had a surprise…a CD version of the album
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### Author:  [@jazznut](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/jazznut)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2023, 9:15pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/octave-records-two-45-rpm-selections/33923/3 "2023-06-03T21:15:29Z")
If you want to compare digital front end with analog front end (and not digital with analog format & front end), using a DSD or Hires PCM based recording is the right strategy imo, especially if you can be sure both media were direct transfers without varying mastering, which seems to be the case with Octave recordings.
However imo the Mervine recording (which I like) sound wise doesn’t have the full potential for comparisons.
I’d take an MA Recordings title like the Sera una noche albums or the Mathias Landaeus/Opening album, an Ozella albums like Helge Lien Trio 10 or Inwardness/Space Jazz or something different like the the Jamie Saft / You don’t know the life album.
But best is probably Mofi”s Stevie Ray Vaughan / Couldn’t stand the weather and the new Wagner / Solti / Ring Abbey Road half speed reissues from a new quality of hires tape transfers.
Unfortunately this wasn’t done AAA for vinyl, but that makes it great for this test.
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### Author:  [@akro](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/akro)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2023, 9:22pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/octave-records-two-45-rpm-selections/33923/4 "2023-06-03T21:22:33Z")
Are you saying Octave’s finished master recording is different for what is sent to the cutting lathe for vinyl production from that used to produce the sold dsd product?
Is this a fact or assessment?
What shortcoming does the Mervine production have?
Is anything AAA?
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### Author:  [@jazznut](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/jazznut)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2023, 9:39pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/octave-records-two-45-rpm-selections/33923/5 "2023-06-03T21:39:18Z")
I think you misunderstood me.
I said Octave uses the same master file for DSD and Vinyl transfer with no difference.
I said AAA vinyl productions wouldn’t be useful for a pure HW front end comparison.
Is anything AAA?
Yes, AAA vinyl exists (sure you knew that), but I just named digitally sourced examples for the reason above.
What’s the sonic shortcoming of the Mervine recording imo?
I like it, it sounds balanced, dynamic and fine, but for best possible comparisons it lacks optimal openness, 3D and extension imo. Probably newer/other Octave recordings sound superior.
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### Author:  [@akro](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/akro)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2023, 9:51pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/octave-records-two-45-rpm-selections/33923/6 "2023-06-03T21:51:47Z")
What I have is as deep down the rabbit hole I will go
Opinions and probabilities would require superseding validated information for me to go further in my dsd vs vinyl SQ exploration
I have enough endless enigmas in my life already
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### Author:  [@jazznut](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/jazznut)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2023, 10:03pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/octave-records-two-45-rpm-selections/33923/7 "2023-06-03T22:03:15Z")
That’s fine. You just have to care for equal transfers to both media.
If that’s a too deep rabbit hole, you shouldn’t make such comparisons as the results then might have nothing to do with what you wanted to find out.
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### Author:  [@akro](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/akro)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2023, 10:14pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/octave-records-two-45-rpm-selections/33923/8 "2023-06-03T22:14:02Z")
I have published dozens of peer-reviewed scientific studies
I have no intention of making my small, leisurely comparison a definitive analysis, but rather I am trying to find a dac that approaches the tonality richness of vinyl. I will be content with appreciating the differences
The only input I have received that would accomplish my goal would be a $115,000 dac with a $60,000 server
If this is the case, I will go there
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### Author:  [@akro](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/akro)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2023, 10:16pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/octave-records-two-45-rpm-selections/33923/9 "2023-06-03T22:16:21Z")
> [@jazznut](#):
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> You just have to care for equal transfers to both media
I think you said Octave does so, which is what I assumed for purchasing the dsd and vinyl versions of 2 Octave productions
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### Author:  [@jazznut](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/jazznut)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2023, 10:52pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/octave-records-two-45-rpm-selections/33923/10 "2023-06-03T22:52:36Z")
Yes, definitely a good choice for that reason and I guess that’s also true for probably all DSD recordings in general that made it to vinyl and probably even for most (but not all) PCM recordings.
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### Author:  [@jazznut](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/jazznut)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2023, 11:03pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/octave-records-two-45-rpm-selections/33923/11 "2023-06-03T23:03:55Z")
Finally I have to strongly recommend one recording for HW (not recording format) comparisons, which is the best DSD recording I have heard so far and made it to LP unremastered and unedited:
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### Author:  [@akro](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/akro)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2023, 11:13pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/octave-records-two-45-rpm-selections/33923/12 "2023-06-03T23:13:40Z")
> [@jazznut](#):
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> Yes, definitely a good choice for that reason
great
I’ve been comparing formats and hardware since the 1970s: live music, my own band and orchestral performances, vinyl, cassette tapes, though skipped 8 track, mp3 etc, flac etc, cd, sacd, and this year adding free-standing dsd files…and a large range of playback devices from mid-fi to hi-fi.
Digital streaming has its appeals of convenience and breadth of content, though would like to approach the tonality of vinyl. (my dsd/vinyl comparisons to date have consistently revealed the the richer tonality of vinyl; the dynamic range superiority of dsd to me has been a disadvantage for listening to a piece without gain riding the remote)
I will look for the La Stavaganza vinyl and dsd, though no plan to fill my shelves much further (famous last words).
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### Author:  [@jazznut](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/jazznut)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2023, 11:34pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/octave-records-two-45-rpm-selections/33923/13 "2023-06-03T23:34:13Z")
> [@akro](#):
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> I am trying to find a dac that approaches the tonality richness of vinyl.
I read you use an SME arm with a Koetsu cartridge.
Speaking from my own experience, having owned an SME V with a Koetsu Vermillion for a very short time decades ago (didn’t work at all, I assume you use an older, better matching SME arm), I’d say it’s difficult to find a DAC matching the special (I don’t want to go deeper) Koetsu tonality if you like that. Doesn’t even have to be that expensive I’d say, maybe a NOS/ vintage chip DAC, there seem to be quite some who like that. I think most very expensive DAC’s go in a different direction. Of the better ones maybe a Lampizator?
Would be interesting what you find at the end!
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### Author:  [@akro](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/akro)
#### Post date: [June 3, 2023, 11:38pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/octave-records-two-45-rpm-selections/33923/14 "2023-06-03T23:38:26Z")
My Koetsu Onyx was supreme but alas requires a $5k refurbish, making do with a Shelter and Basis pre-amp…which exceed tonality of any DACs I have heard…have not accessed the $50,000-plus club
My SME 309 is 20 years old, flawless
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### Author:  [@akro](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/akro)
#### Post date: [June 4, 2023, 3:38pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/octave-records-two-45-rpm-selections/33923/15 "2023-06-04T15:38:59Z")
I came across your comments in July 2022 regarding the MOFI debacle thread
You posted that vinyl is better than digital, which is what I am saying here and have been saying for decades
Certainly, however, a good dac may surpass a bad cartridge/arm/turntable
My search if for a dac that will equal a good analog setup
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### Author:  [@akro](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/akro)
#### Post date: [June 4, 2023, 3:51pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/octave-records-two-45-rpm-selections/33923/16 "2023-06-04T15:51:35Z")
Previously, I posted…
> [@The Day Has Come](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/the-day-has-come/33847):
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> For five immersive months I have delved into the matters of streamed music – from streaming services to DACs to cables, but only read about fuses. Sonos and Spotify no more. A new world had arrived. Impressive deliveries, including convenience and massive content at a click of a button on the remote. So impressed I more or less concluded that the traditional gap between digital and analog had been more or less obliterated. So, after many years of dormant TT chain, today was the day. After ref…
Well today I can confirm and extend my remarks, comparing the 2 45-rpm Octave vinyls with Octave dsd versions of these recordings.
My 20-year-old analog setup is simply superior to top ESS-chip dacs.
Confidence, strength, clarity, transient response (notably in drum kit strikes of various drums and cymbals), wider frequency delivery, enhanced subtle sounds, enhanced presence…
And the most important variable to me: enhanced instrument/voice character and individuality (I played trumpet, clarinet, sax, electric/double bass, and tuba…I know what they sound like in front of me or at my side, a few feet away, dozens of feet away, and hundreds of feet away.)
The Octave music was simply more beautiful, rich, and complete in my comparison…a dsd recording produced in vinyl vs a dsd file played through top ESS dacs.
Remaining for my audition is a PSA DSD MkII and the ultras like MSB, DCS, and others. Hint, hint…anyone with such a dac close to Sarasota?
My objective is to acquire a dac that will virtually eliminate the difference between hi-res digital and good-or-better analog playback.
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### Author:  [@akro](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/akro)
#### Post date: [June 4, 2023, 4:11pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/octave-records-two-45-rpm-selections/33923/17 "2023-06-04T16:11:50Z")
Re La Extravaganza, have found a dsd with nativedsd
Not yet found the vinyl version with that cover picture
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### Author:  [@akro](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/akro)
#### Post date: [June 4, 2023, 4:21pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/octave-records-two-45-rpm-selections/33923/18 "2023-06-04T16:21:43Z")
PS
My amp exudes more heat with vinyl, meaning its doing more work. Undoubtedly because there is more there to play.
And, my other arrival yesterday, The Best of Eva Cassidy, in 180g vinyl is also exquisite.
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### Author:  [@jazznut](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/jazznut)
#### Post date: [June 4, 2023, 4:36pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/octave-records-two-45-rpm-selections/33923/19 "2023-06-04T16:36:23Z")
> **[Vivaldi - La Stravaganza | analogphonic](https://www.analogphonic.com/product-page/vivaldi-la-stravaganza)**
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> Artist : Rachel Podger (Violin) , Arte Dei Suonatori Title : Vivaldi - La Stravaganza RELEASE DATE : 10. Sep. 2018FORMAT : Vinyl / GatefoldCAT NO : CNLR1712DISC : 2BARCODE : 8809300904085 RECORDING INFORMATION Recorded : Church of the High Catholic...
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### Author:  [@akro](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/akro)
#### Post date: [June 4, 2023, 4:45pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/octave-records-two-45-rpm-selections/33923/20 "2023-06-04T16:45:25Z")
can’t find how to purchase
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