# Silversmith Audio Fidelium Cables **URL:** \ **Category:** Cables\ **Created:** [November 1, 2020, 6:30pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/silversmith-audio-fidelium-cables/19873 "2020-11-01T18:30:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![scotte1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/scotte1/32/147_2.png) [@scotte1](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/scotte1)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 7:41pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/silversmith-audio-fidelium-cables/19873/82 "2022-04-24T19:41:45Z")
> [@SDL](#): > > I have never heard the Fideliums in my system or in any other, but it would seem to be necessary to actually listen to them with the specific speakers and room under question before making any decisions about the appropriateness of their use. This is especially true since the resistance question deals with only one of the characteristics that might differentiate the sound of these cables from other options. That’s crazy talk, right there; plain crazy, I tell ya’. 😳 ---
**Author:** ![thegage1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@thegage1](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/thegage1)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 7:52pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/silversmith-audio-fidelium-cables/19873/83 "2022-04-24T19:52:15Z")
I had a set of these in my system for about a year, between PrimaLuna amplifiers and Golden Ear Triton 2+ speakers. In my system they performed as the reviews have stated. I ultimately sold them on not because of the sound but because of the ergonomics. Despite appearances they are not particularly fragile or crease-prone if you treat them with a modicum of care. Nor were they particularly difficult to attach to binding posts. They are, however, a pain to manage if you want to run them off the floor and apart, and at the same time want any sort of tidy appearance. That probably sounds a bit picky, but my system is in a room that is used for other things as well as listening. Anyway, if you can deal with how they look they are well worth an audition. JohnK ---
**Author:** ![SDL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ab097/32.png) [@SDL](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/SDL)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 8:00pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/silversmith-audio-fidelium-cables/19873/84 "2022-04-24T20:00:22Z")
> [@scotte1](#): > > That’s crazy talk, right there; plain crazy, I tell ya’. 😳 (As the Shawn Colvin song says) But Maybe I’m crazy Maybe you’re crazy Maybe we’re crazy Probably ---
**Author:** ![scotte1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/scotte1/32/147_2.png) [@scotte1](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/scotte1)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 8:00pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/silversmith-audio-fidelium-cables/19873/85 "2022-04-24T20:00:48Z")
Probably. ---
**Author:** ![EkW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/ekw/32/123968_2.png) [@EkW](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/EkW)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 11:37pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/silversmith-audio-fidelium-cables/19873/87 "2022-04-24T23:37:36Z")
Would not one need to add two resistors to the cable/speaker circuit to properly represent the resistance of the cables? Otherwise one would have one leg at ~ 1.8 ohms and the other at ~0.1 ohms; this would seem to be equivalent to changing only the + or - side of the cable rather than the pair of wires in the cable. ---
**Author:** ![Arenith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/arenith/32/62875_2.png) [@Arenith](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/Arenith)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 12:25am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/silversmith-audio-fidelium-cables/19873/88 "2022-04-25T00:25:25Z")
Well there is certainly an aspect to these Fidelium cables that gives way to suspicion, but I don’t also believe that so many people are lying or overstating the sound quality. Just makes me wonder, how, why? A proprietary alloy with a very simple ultra-flat geometry, it sounds kind of like marketed magic when I read about it but apparently sounds good in people’s systems. Interesting it is. ---
**Author:** ![invalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d6d6ee/32.png) [@invalid](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/invalid)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 1:20am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/silversmith-audio-fidelium-cables/19873/91 "2022-04-25T01:20:09Z")
How do you know most audiophiles don’t have treated rooms? ---
**Author:** ![dchang05](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/dchang05/32/294697_2.png) [@dchang05](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/dchang05)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 1:34am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/silversmith-audio-fidelium-cables/19873/92 "2022-04-25T01:34:55Z")
How come non of the reviews pointed out any of these issues? These are the people actually heard or owned them for sometime. ---
**Author:** ![dchang05](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/dchang05/32/294697_2.png) [@dchang05](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/dchang05)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 3:46am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/silversmith-audio-fidelium-cables/19873/95 "2022-04-25T03:46:17Z")
There are, quite surprisingly, more than normal positive reviews about this one cable online. I know professional reviewers usually do not trash a new product, but one could tell from their wording if they really like the products, and this is one of them. When I compare cables, the attributes such as image depth, midrange balance, and high and low details are the main focuses in deciding good ones from ordinary, and I am an amateur. So, I really doubt the pros are easily fooled, and they have reviewed way more products than you, I am sure. I do not think you heard of it, so your assumption carries little weight, frankly. ---
**Author:** ![dchang05](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/dchang05/32/294697_2.png) [@dchang05](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/dchang05)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 5:17am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/silversmith-audio-fidelium-cables/19873/97 "2022-04-25T05:17:51Z")
It is possible that you’re the only one that got it right, but more likely you’re the only one got it wrong in this universe; from feedbacks from others here as well as from reviews I saw elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![dchang05](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/dchang05/32/294697_2.png) [@dchang05](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/dchang05)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 5:45am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/silversmith-audio-fidelium-cables/19873/99 "2022-04-25T05:45:30Z")
I also realized you “know” you got it right. Although I don’t think you are able to change too many minds here, including mine. So I’m out and may find some high-resistance cables to try in a later date. ---
**Author:** ![audiojan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/audiojan/32/95363_2.png) [@audiojan](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/audiojan)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/silversmith-audio-fidelium-cables/19873/100 "2022-04-25T15:47:25Z")
Quick A/B? Yet, you said you never heard them… ---
**Author:** ![stevensegal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/35a633/32.png) [@stevensegal](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/stevensegal)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 5:28pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/silversmith-audio-fidelium-cables/19873/103 "2022-04-25T17:28:08Z")
> [@CinDyment](#): > > For the same reason that I know that few “audiophiles” own measurement microphones or know what the room response is of their systems is. Because they don’t. And no, throwing some random panels behind the speakers or on the side walls is not proper treatment, though it is better than nothing. > > If you don’t know this is true, then I suggest looking at the system pictures on Audiogon. Maybe 5% of systems are adequately treated. The vast majority have effectively no acoustic treatment. You set out your views quite clearly here: ![Screenshot 2022-04-25 at 17.52.56](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/psaudio/original/3X/b/f/bffa09f6926afc784b0f3d814d446b85505e7861.png) The reason why people don’t spend $4,000 on GIK is more likely not that they are unaware of the importance of room acoustics, but because they live in nice homes that would be ruined by a load of acoustic panels. My experience is: - I spent $400 on two GIK panels that my wife almost ripped off the wall before I told her I could get a full refund if she didn’t put them in the trash, which I did. - I assume you would consider me an audiophile, and I do own a UMIK microphone. - If I put a picture of my listening room on Audiogon you would not see any acoustic panelling and might rush to judgement, but then you would not know about the acoustic materials used to line the walls and ceiling behind the wallpaper or the acoustic specification of the glass. - I hate subwoofers: they are ugly and more trouble than they are worth and I don’t want 25hz bouncing around my house. You might need that deep bass to operate a recording studio, but not in my house. No thanks. - My system has programmable DSP room correction software, but I don’t have the need to use it. My retail audio dealer set up my speakers and I couldn’t be happier. I use another brand of flat cables, which have been in production for over 40 years. Their main claims to fame are extremely low inductance (0.002uH) and immunity to external noise. They also disappear nicely under rugs. p.s. My wife had the same negative reaction to D&D 8c as she did to GIK panels. ---
**Author:** ![stevensegal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/35a633/32.png) [@stevensegal](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/stevensegal)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 7:10pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/silversmith-audio-fidelium-cables/19873/105 "2022-04-25T19:10:24Z")
> [@CinDyment](#): > > Give me $5-10K, and a few hours, and you will not hate subwoofers, **not for sound quality at least**. That’s as silly as saying “assume you are not married …”. There is no subwoofer visually acceptable in my house. I chose speakers that give a bass response sufficient for the music I like listening to. What I hate most is the physical sensation of subwoofers moving air. > [@CinDyment](#): > > Your wires are Goertz Wrong again. [Isolda Speaker Cables - www.townshendaudio.com](http://www.townshendaudio.com/isolda-speaker-cables/) Here’s some reading for you, and there’s a white paper with lots of technical stuff for you to chew on, and I won’t comment other than to say that your criticism has been made before. All I know, I’ve used them for years and have never had any thoughts about changing them. [https://www.the-ear.net/how-to/cable-geometry-investigated](https://www.the-ear.net/how-to/cable-geometry-investigated) [https://townshendaudio.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=37242be2279a7265bcf86ab2a&id=d38d3fc971&e=798e6bb782](https://townshendaudio.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=37242be2279a7265bcf86ab2a&id=d38d3fc971&e=798e6bb782) And proof that impedance does make a difference !!! > **[Impedance\_matching%20deletraz%20paper.pdf](https://www.townshendaudio.com/PDF/Impedance_matching%20deletraz%20paper.pdf)** > > 351.92 KB ---
**Author:** ![RonP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/ronp/32/213555_2.png) [@RonP](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/RonP)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 7:10pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/silversmith-audio-fidelium-cables/19873/106 "2022-04-25T19:10:27Z")
Your knowledge base is amazing! Can we talk you into recommending some speaker, interconnect and maybe power cable that you have found to be well designed and built? ---
**Author:** ![Elk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/elk/32/1240_2.png) [@Elk](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/Elk)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 8:09pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/silversmith-audio-fidelium-cables/19873/108 "2022-04-25T20:09:06Z")
Vigorous discussion is fair game. 🙂 Just stay way from name calling and condescension. It is possible Steven is being dishonest, but more likely his estimate of time is off. One thing I find fascinating about subwoofers is how they increase ambiance retrieval even with a solo higher frequency instrument such as violin or a mezzo voice. Magic. And at least two are needed to minimize dips/valleys in bass response. ---
**Author:** ![invalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d6d6ee/32.png) [@invalid](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/invalid)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 8:18pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/silversmith-audio-fidelium-cables/19873/109 "2022-04-25T20:18:21Z")
I’ll take a purpose built room without subwoofers, even multiple subwoofers don’t integrate very well with my speakers, maybe they would with some silversmith audio fidelium cables. ---
**Author:** ![Baldy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/baldy/32/223847_2.png) [@Baldy](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/Baldy)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 8:51pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/silversmith-audio-fidelium-cables/19873/110 "2022-04-25T20:51:35Z")
I have had good luck integrating subs in my untreated room. I can’t tell when they are on but definitely can tell when they are off if that makes sense. I would say ambience addition is a good term to explain the difference. Now my son is a bass head so he has them playing loud but his choice of music is mostly electronic and rap which both use a large bass presence. ---
**Author:** ![stevensegal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/35a633/32.png) [@stevensegal](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/stevensegal)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 8:56pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/silversmith-audio-fidelium-cables/19873/111 "2022-04-25T20:56:03Z")
Jimmy Hughes recommended Isolda cables to me about 10 years ago and he told me he’d been using them for about 25 years. Max told me he’d been making speaker cables since the 1980s. I’ve used a subwoofer before and decided to manage without. I don’t have major bass notes to fix - because I have a UMIX microphone and a laptop to use it with and have checked. Besides, in its previous location I had an audible node at 80-90 hz and a subwoofer and now the response is audibly flatter. From what I understand, once you put in subwoofers you have to get into quite heavy room treatment and possibly DSP, which might be fine in a recording studio or listening room where aesthetics are not an issue, but in my listening room aesthetics are a big issue and my original point was that for many consumer audio users aesthetics probably are a major issue. I agree with @CinDyment that “there is no perfection in 2 channel audio, just a balance of trade-offs”. Otherwise, perhaps he should be a little less presumptuous about what people do or don’t know about their room acoustics from looking at Audiogon pictures. For example, who knows what DSP is being employed. ---
**Author:** ![invalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d6d6ee/32.png) [@invalid](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/invalid)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2022, 12:24am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/silversmith-audio-fidelium-cables/19873/114 "2022-04-26T00:24:22Z")
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