# Soundstage Shifts Left **URL:** \ **Category:** Audio Components\ **Created:** [November 25, 2019, 11:49pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/soundstage-shifts-left/14055 "2019-11-25T23:49:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Elk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/elk/32/1240_2.png) [@Elk](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/Elk)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/soundstage-shifts-left/14055/21 "2019-11-26T18:50:08Z")
I find even in what appears to be a perfectly symmetrical room final speaker placement adjustments need be made by ear. Suddenly everything will lock in. It is a tedious process. ---
**Author:** ![jaycee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/jaycee/32/90254_2.png) [@jaycee](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/jaycee)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/soundstage-shifts-left/14055/22 "2019-11-26T19:13:04Z")
I have a very old house (1915) and after some of the same issues mentioned above discovered the walls aren’t exactly plumb. I’ve discovered differences in measurement between the bottoms/tops of my speakers to the rear wall (immediately behind them) and are heavily impacted by the rear wall with respect to balance, soundstage and bass. I have outriggers and found that fine tuning by tipping forward or back was needed after initial placement. Moral of the story…don’t assume it’s only symmetry left to right and front to back. Top to bottom can be a factor. ---
**Author:** ![dancingsea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@dancingsea](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/dancingsea)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 7:36pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/soundstage-shifts-left/14055/23 "2019-11-26T19:36:15Z")
Oh great, now my speakers can have a bad load 🤣 I always thought in terms of how far apart, how close to the back wall, but always symmetrical. It never crossed my mind to deviate from those linear conceptions. ---
**Author:** ![zheng4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/977dab/32.png) [@zheng4](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/zheng4)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 3:35pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/soundstage-shifts-left/14055/24 "2019-11-27T15:35:37Z")
I used Nordost system solution/ set-up & tuning disc to help me dial in final speaker location. As mentioned above, no 100% symmetric room, not just room dimension, but also furniture, window, etc, therefore, the two speakers will be at two different sound environment points, with different frequency responses (measuring individual speaker at the listening position). The differences in my case was relatively small. Funny, the soundstage was shifted a little to the left too before the final adjustments. During the adjustments using the disc, I was not focusing on centering the center image, more on getting the same frequency response from the two speakers, at the end, it helped a lot in soundstage too. ---
**Author:** ![brett66](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/brett66/32/92201_2.png) [@brett66](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/brett66)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/soundstage-shifts-left/14055/25 "2019-11-27T16:03:00Z")
That’s actually a lucky coincidence, less strong standing waves with non-plumb walls. ---
**Author:** ![brett66](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/brett66/32/92201_2.png) [@brett66](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/brett66)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 4:05pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/soundstage-shifts-left/14055/26 "2019-11-27T16:05:03Z")
“MASTER SET” SPEAKER POSITIONING is one technique for finding the optimal speaker location and is nearly always not symmetrical. ---
**Author:** ![jaycee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/jaycee/32/90254_2.png) [@jaycee](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/jaycee)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 4:14pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/soundstage-shifts-left/14055/27 "2019-11-27T16:14:46Z")
Very correct @brett66. To boot, my listening room is a dormer room (craftsman style house) on the 2nd floor and where the roof and wall meets the corner is slanted to the outside direction of the house. Inside corner is truncated before the corner and has an additional angle. Hard to describe but there are no traditional corners above my speakers. You’d think what the heck, not perfect but I’ve had the best bass vs. previous houses. I attribute this to reduced corner loading. Also, center image is locked in and deep. ---
**Author:** ![Henry53](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Henry53](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/Henry53)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 12:03am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/soundstage-shifts-left/14055/28 "2024-10-15T00:03:06Z")
Been frustrated with this problem for 2 years, your suggestion solved it. ---
**Author:** ![dancingsea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@dancingsea](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/dancingsea)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 12:40am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/soundstage-shifts-left/14055/29 "2024-10-15T00:40:06Z")
Cool, glad it worked! ---
**Author:** ![Jon-du-sud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@Jon-du-sud](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/Jon-du-sud)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2025, 1:58pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/soundstage-shifts-left/14055/30 "2025-03-08T13:58:52Z")
@donkt150 : Thank you so much for this suggestion. It worked really well for me. I signed up to the site sp3cifically to say thank you, merci et chapeau 🙂 I had been fixated on keeping an equilateral triangle which took me down a very long dead end street (with a lazer pointer) that I have now got out of. ---
**Author:** ![scotte1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/scotte1/32/147_2.png) [@scotte1](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/scotte1)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2025, 2:01pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/soundstage-shifts-left/14055/31 "2025-03-08T14:01:24Z")
Welcome to the Forum. ---
**Author:** ![donkt150](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@donkt150](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/donkt150)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2025, 3:10pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/soundstage-shifts-left/14055/32 "2025-03-08T15:10:45Z")
I am glad that worked out for you once I was like you everything had to be symmetrical however, after many many years of playing with this stuff, I learned that we are fighting the room and the room is usually never symmetrical so I learned the hard way to start experimenting . ---
**Author:** ![dancingsea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@dancingsea](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/dancingsea)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2025, 5:44pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/soundstage-shifts-left/14055/33 "2025-03-08T17:44:10Z")
It’s such a simple solution. [Previous page](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/soundstage-shifts-left/14055.md?page=1)