# Was Upcoming DS release - Now Windom has been released **URL:** \ **Category:** DACs\ **Created:** [July 27, 2019, 4:22pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/was-upcoming-ds-release-now-windom-has-been-released/11935 "2019-07-27T16:22:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![bootzilla](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/bootzilla/32/1598_2.png) [@bootzilla](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/bootzilla)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 4:56pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/was-upcoming-ds-release-now-windom-has-been-released/11935/88 "2019-08-28T16:56:56Z")
You can vote for your favorite mountaintop name here . . . > [@Naming Silliness](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/naming-silliness/12362/84): > > POLL: What Should PS Audio Name the Next Mountaintop OS? [poll](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/naming-silliness/12362/84) ---
**Author:** ![timm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8e8cbc/32.png) [@timm](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/timm)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/was-upcoming-ds-release-now-windom-has-been-released/11935/89 "2019-08-28T20:12:20Z")
You know when I posted this I didn’t think about people thinking I received one from PSA. No it is blank awaiting download. ---
**Author:** ![JMK](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/jmk/32/30601_2.png) [@JMK](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/JMK)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 8:26pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/was-upcoming-ds-release-now-windom-has-been-released/11935/90 "2019-08-28T20:26:16Z")
You are a tease. ---
**Author:** ![brett66](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/brett66/32/92201_2.png) [@brett66](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/brett66)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 11:01pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/was-upcoming-ds-release-now-windom-has-been-released/11935/91 "2019-08-28T23:01:58Z")
Maybe the files are just hidden until the release date 😉 I’m curious why you bought a SD card from PS Audio? Did you not receive a 2GB with your DS? I’ve used the same card for all releases, I just create a folder for each release and copy the one I want to run to the root of the card and reboot. ---
**Author:** ![timm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8e8cbc/32.png) [@timm](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/timm)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 1:38am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/was-upcoming-ds-release-now-windom-has-been-released/11935/92 "2019-08-29T01:38:22Z")
No. I got it at Best Buy. I have just made it a habit to get a new one on each release. I’m a computer guy too. Haha. You think I would just use logic and not give into gremlins. ---
**Author:** ![yacheah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/dec6dc/32.png) [@yacheah](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/yacheah)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 5:50am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/was-upcoming-ds-release-now-windom-has-been-released/11935/93 "2019-08-29T05:50:11Z")
September is a few days away. Any progress as to when the new update will be? ---
**Author:** ![wobblewobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/76d3ee/32.png) [@wobblewobble](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/wobblewobble)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 6:33am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/was-upcoming-ds-release-now-windom-has-been-released/11935/94 "2019-08-29T06:33:17Z")
> [@tedsmith](#): > > As the sample rate goes up the S/N gets better, but there’s also more noise from jitter as the clock rate gets higher. At some point there’s more new noise from jitter than there is a reduction in noise from the higher sample rate. > > For single bit DSD the crossover is somewhere a little above double rate and well below [quad](http://quad-hifi.co.uk/) rate. Hi @tedsmith Regarding the quoted. Since your D to A is discrete design why can’t you design this crossover to be at this optimal 1 bit sample rate that you mentioned (between DSD128 and DSD256 rates)? Is it because those people paying for DSD256 music would be upset their music is being downsampled to something between DSD128 and DSD256 rates? A bit like the thing you mentioned about supporting DSD512 input. ---
**Author:** ![tedsmith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/tedsmith/32/96626_2.png) [@tedsmith](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/tedsmith)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 6:43am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/was-upcoming-ds-release-now-windom-has-been-released/11935/95 "2019-08-29T06:43:55Z")
By crossover I meant the place where the curve showing the increasing S/N from having more resolution from more samples as the sample rate rises intersects the curve showing the decreasing S/N from jitter as the sample rate rises. These curves are based on idealized devices and almost certainly are worse for any real device. The point is that even in theory as the sample rate rises the additional S/N from more samples is swamped by the increased noise from more jitter at some point and that point is somewhere between double rate DSD and quad rate DSD. ---
**Author:** ![wobblewobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/76d3ee/32.png) [@wobblewobble](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/wobblewobble)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 6:56am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/was-upcoming-ds-release-now-windom-has-been-released/11935/96 "2019-08-29T06:56:25Z")
Thanks @tedsmith but that’s what I was asking. Why do the conversion to analogue from DSD256? Why not somewhere between DSD128 and DSD256 rates? Since you can use discrete design. ---
**Author:** ![tedsmith](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/tedsmith/32/96626_2.png) [@tedsmith](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/tedsmith)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 7:43am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/was-upcoming-ds-release-now-windom-has-been-released/11935/97 "2019-08-29T07:43:13Z")
Sorry I misunderstood. Tho theoretically one can do a fixed synchronous sample rate conversion between any two frequencies as soon as the ratios aren’t a simple multiples (or divisors) the work gets more complicated and we can hear it when we need to use more resources in the FPGA to get a job done. The optimal sample rate/jitter point is fairly flat, overshooting or undershooting by an octave won’t make a big difference. At a more pragmatic level the clock jitter mostly depends on, well, the clock. There are only certain frequencies available and as you go higher in frequency the phase noise gets worse. I got the lowest phase noise I could get that would do the job. Trying to convert to some non multiple of DSD64 would necessitate a worse clock (or a heck of a lot more money for a custom clock.) ---
**Author:** ![Paul](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/paul/32/6_2.png) [@Paul](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/Paul)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 12:50pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/was-upcoming-ds-release-now-windom-has-been-released/11935/98 "2019-08-29T12:50:43Z")
Love to launch in October and that’s currently the plan. Sorry for the wait. ---
**Author:** ![Elk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/elk/32/1240_2.png) [@Elk](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/Elk)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 2:25am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/was-upcoming-ds-release-now-windom-has-been-released/11935/99 "2019-08-30T02:25:35Z")
A post was merged into an existing topic: [Bridge II update?](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/bridge-ii-update/6851/452) ---
**Author:** ![wobblewobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/76d3ee/32.png) [@wobblewobble](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/wobblewobble)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 4:44am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/was-upcoming-ds-release-now-windom-has-been-released/11935/100 "2019-08-30T04:44:35Z")
Ah yes, I forgot about how simple multiples can help. I should know even from using HQPlayer that “auto family base rate” enabled is always less CPU intensive. This setting keeps an integer multiple of the 44.1k and 48k base rates and keeps CPU loading lower than trying to convert to multiple of other base rate. Silly question from me. All clear now. Thanks @tedsmith ---
**Author:** ![2chan4ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/eb9ed0/32.png) [@2chan4ever](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/2chan4ever)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 9:20am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/was-upcoming-ds-release-now-windom-has-been-released/11935/101 "2019-09-15T09:20:42Z")
Sometime ago Ted had mentioned that he had new DSS Firmware in the works. I was wondering if this has come to fruition yet and I missed it? If not, what might the timeline be? Now that he has figured out a lot more due to the advent of the TSS I greatly anticipate This! Thank you ---
**Author:** ![dvorak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6de8d8/32.png) [@dvorak](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/dvorak)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 10:16am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/was-upcoming-ds-release-now-windom-has-been-released/11935/102 "2019-09-15T10:16:29Z")
There’s a firmware update for the DS DAC in the works, hasn’t been released yet. Possibly October, we heard. ---
**Author:** ![Hooman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/hooman/32/24638_2.png) [@Hooman](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/Hooman)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/was-upcoming-ds-release-now-windom-has-been-released/11935/103 "2019-09-15T18:45:27Z")
@Paul Our company (which is in semiconductor business) is launching a new product line on October 8th! Let’s synchronize launches. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![weedeewop](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/weedeewop/32/190064_2.png) [@weedeewop](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/weedeewop)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/was-upcoming-ds-release-now-windom-has-been-released/11935/104 "2019-09-15T20:00:44Z")
Rumor has it one should anticipate an October release of Windom. Corrected spelling. From Wikipedia: **Windom Peak** is the [highest summit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mountain_peaks_of_the_Rocky_Mountains#Highest_prominent_summits) of the [Needle Mountains](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Needle_Mountains_(Colorado)) range of the [Rocky Mountains](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Mountains) of [North America](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America). The [prominent](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topographic_prominence) 14,093-foot (4,296 m) [fourteener](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteener) is located in the [Weminuche Wilderness](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weminuche_Wilderness) of [San Juan National Forest](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Juan_National_Forest), 28.2 miles (45.4 km) northeast by north ([bearing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_bearing) 32°) of the [City of Durango](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durango,_Colorado) in [La Plata County](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Plata_County,_Colorado), [Colorado](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado), [United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States). The summit of Windom Peak is the [highest point](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Colorado_county_high_points) in La Plata County and the entire [San Juan River](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Juan_River_(Colorado_River)) [drainage basin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drainage_basin).[[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windom_Peak#cite_note-PB-1)[[2]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windom_Peak#cite_note-GNIS-2) The mountain was named in honor of Minnesota senator [William Windom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Windom). ---
**Author:** ![mark-d](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/mark-d/32/20_2.png) [@mark-d](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/mark-d)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 10:18pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/was-upcoming-ds-release-now-windom-has-been-released/11935/105 "2019-09-15T22:18:21Z")
I don’t know…digital yeti was just in town…maybe with a yeti gift… ---
**Author:** ![brett66](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/forum.psaudio.com/brett66/32/92201_2.png) [@brett66](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/brett66)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 10:26pm UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/was-upcoming-ds-release-now-windom-has-been-released/11935/106 "2019-09-15T22:26:16Z")
This is a fine example of why Ted does what he does and the rest of us do other things My upmost compliment to you sir! ---
**Author:** ![2chan4ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/eb9ed0/32.png) [@2chan4ever](https://forum.psaudio.com/u/2chan4ever)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 9:06am UTC](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/was-upcoming-ds-release-now-windom-has-been-released/11935/108 "2019-09-19T09:06:26Z")
Thank you Ted. I cannot wait for this. I am guessing with what you have figured out, this will be the biggest leap for the DSS yet. At this point it very well may be the finest DAC for all but the most defining Audiophile. Moreover I am fully elated that you are still supporting it this far out. Few companies would. We certainly got our monies worth IMO. [Previous page](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/was-upcoming-ds-release-now-windom-has-been-released/11935.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forum.psaudio.com/t/was-upcoming-ds-release-now-windom-has-been-released/11935.md?page=6)