Advice please on a switch

The AVB switch is just … Ethernet switch following the IEEE standards(IEEE 1588), physically they’re using the same PAM modulation technology like any other switches out here.

In home network, the stand alone avb switch can be a grandmaster clock source to synchonize for whole system.

The main idea of avb is to provide the timestamp for synchronize the whole system, it is not just the timestamp, it is the bandwidth reservation, and latency garrantee ( QoS in general), for the non-avb awareness, they can be passive listener in a system taking advantage of the avb timestamp frames from network by just install deamon/service of PtP protocol.

The avb switch that certified for audio/video streaming must be very precise at nano and sub nano seconds generate clocking on their grand master clock, it is better, much more precise clock genterating than any other consumer switch cost you few bucks on Amazon, Ebay or any rebrand Linksys switch with modding clock and isolated transformer on each ports called “Audio switch”, these are still dumb switch without awearaness of 802.1 avb, and they can not garrantee for the audio packets latency, no vlans, traffic shaping for QoS,… the basic feature of Layer 2, they have the “body” of the “audio switch” but lacking the real “soul” of being what a IEEE standards that an audio switch need to be at the OS level.

This is likely having the external clock source to sync with your DAC via 10Mhz BNC, something like that ( just example you can imagine, but the tech in fact a bit different)

Ethernet module from Intel, BroadCom, Juniper, Realtek… have come with 802.1 avb compliant and shipp on the firmware to 3rd manufacture lately, so check the spec of the DAC you going to buy if they are 802.1 AS support

AVB switches that are from CISCO, JUNIPER, HP, LENOVO… should be no doubt on the quality for noise floor even they are not using linear power supply. My Ubiquiti 48 ports is so clean on noise floor vs other cheap switches i tried ( Netgear, Linksys, other low price ). With VLAN separating and traffic shaping for QoS, the Ubiquiti make it really good for streaming. To Motu 5 ports i just have deliver the same thing, have not trying the Cisco 3650 (WS-C3650-24PDM, WS-C3650-48FQM) yet since they are too expensive

btw, I have btried to recompile and load the gPTP service into kernel for the Synology NAS ( intel chip) and run as avb listener and this NAS serve the music via DNLA. the Music Server, uPnP, DNLA devices with linux base kernel can be done this easily…, for the DAC/streamer the one without avb capability ? the noise floor that bleeding from ethernet port which tagged for avb port is less than any other dumb switch you had. that why i’m saying without direct benefit from 802.1 avb on device not support it, the device can still inherit the clean noise floor from avb port physically.

I belive the DAC/Streamer, any with linux kernel support 802.1 avb at ethernet circuit will come to market very soon. And they (avb ethernet module) came on many network circuit on HP, Lenovo, Dell…servers, and the Macbook pro

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I shall have to look at software patch availability for my pi based streamers then :slight_smile:

Not that simple, you at least need one avb switch doing a grand master clock that send avb frame to entry network first, as designed, the avb sw garrantee for the audio/video packets travels network with priority of bandwidth allocation within the the time slot…

Indeed, my point was that if I can finegle my Streamer and server type devices to be compliant then it may be worth me looking at switches too.
I’ve already got VLAN separation etc. to keep the broadcast noise down on the music VLAN :slight_smile:

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make sense

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Because I had other reasons to stick with a commercial 10G switch, I did not go to an audiophile switch. Nevertheless I perceived clear benefits from using a linear power supply with my commercial 10G switch. For a neighbour, we agreed to prefer an Ansuz X-TC switch over a combination of a Silent Angel Bonn N8 switch with a linear power supply. Just based on list prices, I would have gone with the Silent Angel combo. But the neighbour got quite a good deal on an X-TC demo unit, only one-third more in price.

I think your dealer is right you should use Silent angel Bonn n8 with Forrester power supply. You can also consult your User manual for more details. I am also using my Cisco MS220-24P-HW Switch in the same way. I have been using it for more than 3 years now and it’s still working i didn’t make any changes to it.

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