Well I don’t agree with those people for the record. That was a pun 
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I second (copy) that emotion.
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I wonder how many of the used CDs I purchased at the used CD store, are tainted? Guess I’ll never know. Back to listening to the music.
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We do not know. Hopefully few.
But when you buy a used CD at a store you are not knowingly participating in and assisting copyright infringement.
I personally would not buy used CDs knowing that they had been ripped and the seller kept the rips.
Sometimes it’s best to remain unaware, or in denial.
Let’s face it, Discogs and most used CD stores would have far less inventory otherwise (and the prices we pay, a good deal higher…and to the best of my knowledge, none of that resale revenue going to artists). I was in one used CD store and some guy was bringing in multiple large boxes of CDs to sell to the store. I couldn’t help but to think he had just burned them and was now unloading them. But, once in the shop, they’ve been “washed” for the buying public.
Seems to me the sale of used CDs and albums hurt musicians more than anything, since they received no royalties. I think a lot of the CDs that get sold, are the ones that people no longer want to listen to, that’s why I end up selling some from time to time. Which explains why I rarely come across the real classics and sought after recordings, because people hang on to them.
and yet, the fact that that cd sold once probably means they’ve already made more money than they would on spotify
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Indeed.
Just to add numbers to this, Spotify pays out in US$: $0.003 to $0.0084 per stream whereas the average payout for a CD would be around $7 (this includes DIY just to be clear on those numbers - milage may vary with big record company contracts)
Let’s not forget about how much musicians were hurt when everything was locked down for 2 years, and they were unable to perform live.
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Why would anyone even start a thread like this knowing it would just turn confrontational in the first place? I mean, with all due respect, just go watch a Jerry Springer episode if you’re in need of that kind of a fix :^ /
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Well you tuned in though!! Anyway. This isn’t that confrontational. We just have different views which is fine. That almost sounded like @Elk
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Yeah, I hadn’t found this discussion all that confrontational - but if I came off sounding that way with my couple posts, I am more than willing to take some criticism and learn from it
From the RIAA website:
Copying CDs
- It’s okay to copy music onto special Audio CD-R’s, mini-discs, and digital tapes (because royalties have been paid on them) – but not for commercial purposes.
- Beyond that, there’s no legal “right” to copy the copyrighted music on a CD onto a CD-R. However, burning a copy of CD onto a CD-R, or transferring a copy onto your computer hard drive or your portable music player, won’t usually raise concerns so long as:
- The copy is made from an authorized original CD that you legitimately own
- The copy is just for your personal use. It’s not a personal use – in fact, it’s illegal – to give away the copy or lend it to others for copying.
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I get what they say, but it’s not for them to decide. You can make a copy for archival purposes, but the RIAA’s fictitious “get out of jail free card” has absolutely no bearing on the written law, and pretending they have the authority to determine copyright ownership for all members and non members of their trade association is a convenient hollow crutch to stand on. Smoke’em if ya got’em.
ah, sorry. Thought we were talking about RIAA’s stance on copying music for our own use.
What’s the written law? I mean, specifically. The relevant statute, etc… Same in all states? (I ask because I truly don’t know.)
I linked a legal article in post #4. This is not the first time a I’ve read this about “fair use” and the prohibition against making copies for convenience. Nobody could ever be convicted because all they would have to claim is, “I made copies for archival purposes in case the original CDs were damaged, destroyed or stolen.”
That just raised a new thing I hadn’t considered. What if you have a copy, the originals were destroyed, are the copies legitimately owned and thus, you could sell your server with the songs on them? Do those copies in essence become the originals? Sorry, not going to go there, way above my pay grade.
Yah, i saw that, but just curious if there’s a specific statute.
From that article (and I know this is a repeat):
CDs and DVDs
it is legal to make a backup copy of a CD or DVD so that you can continue to enjoy the copyrighted material if your original copy fails.
So, the ripping (or backing up) of a CD to a hard drive, in order to preserve the integrity, quality and condition of that CD seems to be a valid (and legal) application of Fair Use.
I don’t think one has to acknowledge “convenience” even if it’s a byproduct of the practice.
Just give them a good sniff. Untainted CDs smell like baby powder. Tainted ones smell like rotten eggs. Unmistakable.
I’ll see if I can track it down. Fairly sure it’s a federal law pushed by industry (mostly software manufacturers I believe). And, on my own, I doubt I could make any sense of it if I tried.