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#1

I’ll cut right to the chase , I know a little but not enough it seems to understand all the terminology and abbreviations to have the confidence to go and buy a device that will take care of an issue that I have with playing music from my NAS . I’m sure I’m not the only one to have this problem which usually starts around 4 o’clock on Friday afternoon ( school hours ) when the Internet starts getting busy and the files I’m playing show signs of reluctance to run the track timer , move onto the next track etc etc . Rebooting the Modem/router helps but there a limit to how often one can be bothered to repeat the the process . The network providers are doing their best I’ve been assured but it all comes down paying more . What should I do to keep it " in house " intranet , no ? Something simpler perhaps , a network switch perhaps . I would be happy for any suggestions .

DS DAC , PWT , BHK pre and 250 power amp , P5 , Avid Diva SP II T/T , SME arm , Lyra Delos cartridge , ASR phono stage , Synology NAS , Consensus Lightnings .


#2

Can you give us more details about how you are playing your files (what software you use, etc.)? It’s not clear why your system would access the internet just to play files that are on your NAS; everything should already be “in house.” (The PWT, of course, does access the internet but you mention the issue arises when using your NAS.)

If there is no one else home who needs internet access, the simplest solution might be to disconnect the cable going into the router when you want to listen. Everything inside should still work normally – but there is that question of why your playback setup wants access to begin with.


#3

Hi Magister , well , I’m using Minimserver and a Google Nexus tablet , the other thing that happens is that Minimserver appears relatively quickly on the tablet but the Musicnas216play takes an age to hook up with Minimserver


#4

I’ve never considered disconnecting from the Modem , showing my ignorance here .


#5

By ‘Musicnas216play’ do you mean a Synology NAS? I infer from your description that MinimServer is installed on a computer rather than on the NAS itself; is that right? If it is a Synology, I suggest putting MinimServer on the NAS (there are excellent directions for doing so on the Minim website; just make sure you get the right version of Java for your NAS). Then you don’t need a computer at all. That’s how I run my setup. There can be a slight delay as the control point refreshes the file list from the server, but it shouldn’t be long at all. What control point are you using on the tablet?

With this setup, you do not need to access the internet to play music. We need to figure out why this is happening, and doing so may be beyond my networking knowledge. Hopefully others will jump in.

Is your setup all wired (aside from the tablet, of course), or is part of it wireless? (Wired will be more reliable.)


#6
unitmaid said I've never considered disconnecting from the Modem , showing my ignorance here .
Sorry if I wasn't clear -- I meant disconnect the cable from outside that comes into the modem/router, not disconnecting the NAS from the modem.

#7

Morning , yes I understood your instruction regarding disconnection from the modem router . To give you the rest of the information Minimserver is installed on the NAS , Bubbleup on the tablet , and everything is other than the tablet is hard wired as such . From what you have told me re. the signal remaining within the house , may be jumping the gun here , would it be the the modem router ( one unit ) as it requires rebooting once or twice a day . It seems to function ok with general activities but flounders after a while with musical files . If that is the case is there something else that can be used between NAS and DAC and tablet . I’ve approached the Internet provider about getting and new modem / router but as this is the third in so many years they are resisting also not interested installing a seperate modem and router . Java is up to date .


#8

It is possible to create an ad hoc network that is totally separate from your modem/router. (Buy a router with wifi capability at an office supply store or online, connect the NAS and the DAC to it, don’t connect into your internet provider’s modem/router.) This should solve your problem (you would of course lose internet connectivity for downloading files etc.), but it would be better if we knew why the problem was occurring to begin with. As I said, knowing why the modem/router keeps slowing down your music is beyond me.

There is one other thing you could try, which is free except for the time you spend learning how to do it (and it’s not too hard): set static IP addresses for your DAC and NAS. This technique is often used when there are problems maintaining network connections, but it might help in your case. There used to be instructions for this on the PSA site. I think they got lost when PSA moved to new forum software. I’ll see what I can find later today.


#9
magister said It is possible to create an ad hoc network that is totally separate from your modem/router. (Buy a router with wifi capability at an office supply store or online, connect the NAS and the DAC to it, don't connect into your internet provider's modem/router.) This should solve your problem (you would of course lose internet connectivity for downloading files etc.), but it would be better if we knew why the problem was occurring to begin with. As I said, knowing why the modem/router keeps slowing down your music is beyond me.
@unitmaid

Maybe you can find some useful info in this post of mine:

http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f26-sonore-sponsored/%B5rendu-outside-home-network-setup-28511/#post553836

I am afraid that one have to work with networks for some time in order to understand the architectual side of it. It is not so easy to just read about it and then understand what’s going on and how to set it up/troubleshoot.


#10

As Magister said, you can get a WiFi router at your local office store and use that to set up an isolated network for your music system. This router would connect to your NAS, DAC (through the Bridge if that is what you have), computer if necessary, and tablet. If you need an internet connection, you can connect the WAN port of the router to your existing modem/router. This should give you an internet connection but not allow any traffic on your ISP’s modem/router to interfere with the music network. I did this for a while myself, but took it out when I got a new WiFi N modem/router from Verizon.

You can do a less extreme variation of this by just getting a good quality switch and putting only your music network devices on it, with a connection between the switch and the modem/router. The tablet would still connect through your ISP’s modem/router. Due to the data directing functions of the switch this will give some isolation from the traffic on the router. This may or may not solve the issues that you have though.

J.P.


#11

Thanks everyone for your input , this definitely gives me something to work on . Slowly slowly up the digital music path .

Kind regards

Leigh