I’d be all over this new PWT IF it were somehow able to bypass the copyright downgrading of digital out on DVD or Blu-ray audio. . . that’s my biggest regret with the way the industry has structured things. I’d love to get the full lossless goodiness of the audio out to the DirectStream. Ah well. I’m really happy with the SACD sound from the SACD players I’ve settled on. . . .
Paul mentioned both SACD and Blu-ray. I assume for Blu-ray the player will also output encrypted DSD to the DirectStream as it will for an SACD disk.
I do not recall a reference to DVD other than as a data disk.
I know, hence the “IF.” I want a machine that would send the unrestricted audio to a DAC and video to a monitor, this isn’t it.
Ahh . . . you also want video. And unencrypted DSD. And sprinkles.
The video could be made ‘pass-through’ only, but then again I guess it implies video circuits, license problems, etc.
I would be surprised if the BD support is anything else than data burned to a BD disc. I wouldn’t expect that 2ch. BD audio (i.e. DTS HD MA and DD True HD) are decoded by the new PWT.
Frode said The video could be made 'pass-through' only, but then again I guess it implies video circuits, license problems, etc.Right, I know this is a pipe dream, but I have an audio AND video system, and the copyright limitation of digital audio out is my biggest system frustration. I'd love to have the native audio fed to the DS, I know that would be an improvement. I don't do digital files or stream music, with the DS I have excellent Redbook playback, and I have excellent SACD playback in another player and don't feel a burning need to have that fed to the DS, not a burning enough need to imperil my bank account and replace my PWT. I know it's not PS Audio's wheelhouse to make the sort of device I'd like, and I know it's highly unfeasible anyone would or could, but that's the one component I'd rush out to buy.I would be surprised if the BD support is anything else than data burned to a BD disc. I wouldn’t expect that 2ch. BD audio (i.e. DTS HD MA and DD True HD) are decoded by the new PWT.
lonson said I'd be all over this new PWT IF it were somehow able to bypass the copyright downgrading of digital out on DVD or Blu-ray audio. . . that's my biggest regret with the way the industry has structured things. I'd love to get the full lossless goodiness of the audio out to the DirectStream. Ah well. I'm really happy with the SACD sound from the SACD players I've settled on. . . .And this is exactly what the new PWT will do. It is certainly possible to also include the HDMI video stream, but this opens up a whole new quagmire for support for the transport if video were included. But technically it's possible.
I have always pictured this transport as the one, the only, high end transport capable of extracting pure DSD of any medium, like SACD, and feed it directly to DirectStream so for once, anyone with an SACD collection could finally hear what is truly captured there. Regardless of what you think your library sounds like, I guarantee you haven’t really a clue until you experience this.
Paul, can you elaborate a little on what 'reads BluRay discs' implies?Paul McGowan saidThe new player can read SACD as well as data discs and BluRay.
Play BluRay discs. So if one wanted, you could put in a movie on a BluRay and the new transport decodes the audio and outputs the PCM or whatever format it is in directly into DirectStream.
Paul McGowan said Play BluRay discs. So if one wanted, you could put in a movie on a BluRay and the new transport decodes the audio and outputs the PCM or whatever format it is in directly into DirectStream.Good to hear that the new player will contain an audio stream decoder for DTS HDMA and Dolby Digital True HD movie formats. Will it also decode Dolby Atmos and DTS Aero 3D or even convert multi-channel to 2-channel?
I reckon it will contain an on-screen menu where you have to set up your preferences (VGA or HDMI output?) or would you do it from the front/remote?
Well, you’ve hit upon the reason we don’t support video output - and we probably can’t have a setup menu for such things. The audio will be preset without options available. It’s the raw data. If in a 5.1 stream, that’s what you get.
OK, it is all clear with the exception of if you provide 3off I2s ports, or only one. My bet is one I2s output, only providing the main front channels. So native 2ch. audio will be all good, but the remaining surround channels won’t be covered.
It would be nice if you (in the future) could send one stream to the DS via I2s, containing multi-channel audio, and then daisy chain 2 additional DS as play points where you cover each channel (quite a stretch, though) 
Well Paul, I’m sure that SACD’s data through the DS would sound fantastic, but my SACD playback already exceeds the Redbook sound from the DS and I’m not rich enough to just buy a new PWT for that purpose alone. Wish I were. And I’m well served as it is, and I’m not someone who chases the very very best sound, I just want excellent sound for my massive collection of recordings. If I am moved enough to sell extra stuff lying around etc. we’ll see, but this product doesn’t offer enough “new” for me.
Frode said OK, it is all clear with the exception of if you provide 3off I2s ports, or only one. My bet is one I2s output, only providing the main front channels. So native 2ch. audio will be all good, but the remaining surround channels won't be covered.It would be nice if you (in the future) could send one stream to the DS via I2s, containing multi-channel audio, and then daisy chain 2 additional DS as play points where you cover each channel (quite a stretch, though)
No, we are including three I2S outputs - each with 2-channels available. The main I2S output has the main channel stereo - or in multi-channel the first 2. The other 2 I2S outputs should cover the rest for multi-channel sound. I know in movie channels sometimes there’s what, 11.1? That’s not going to work, but 5.1 - especially for multi-channel audio - should be perfect.
lonson said Well Paul, I'm sure that SACD's data through the DS would sound fantastic, but my SACD playback already exceeds the Redbook sound from the DS and I'm not rich enough to just buy a new PWT for that purpose alone. Wish I were. And I'm well served as it is, and I'm not someone who chases the very very best sound, I just want excellent sound for my massive collection of recordings. If I am moved enough to sell extra stuff lying around etc. we'll see, but this product doesn't offer enough "new" for me.No problem.
Paul McGowan said
No, we are including three I2S outputs - each with 2-channels available. The main I2S output has the main channel stereo - or in multi-channel the first 2. The other 2 I2S outputs should cover the rest for multi-channel sound. I know in movie channels sometimes there's what, 11.1? That's not going to work, but 5.1 - especially for multi-channel audio - should be perfect.This is great, and a groundbreaking feature, IMO.
Normally one should assume that for the side and back channels you could use other DAC’s than the DS as long as you use the PS Audio open I2s standard, but in this case would you have to use multiple DS due to the licence restrictions?
How you tackle downmix of center and LFE to fronts is still a mystery to me, though if you only process all signals natively.
Post note:
Let me correct myself. There are no surround back (7.1) so the three I2s outputs will be:
DS1: FL & FR
DS2: SL & SR
DS3: Center and LFE (mono)
Thanks Frode - you already know more than me - but that’s not too hard.
Will the “handshake” work with Nuwave DSD too?
Stefano
Don’t yet know.
Paul McGowan saidFrode said And to follow up on Elk's question;Will your new player support 2ch. DSD over HDMI from my multiplayer, convert it to I2s and send it to the DS?
I am not sure I understand this question Frode. The new player can read SACD as well as data discs and BluRay. It will send unencrypted DSD, if that is what is on those discs, and high resolution PCM over I2S through our HDMI connectors to our DirectStream DAC. So, for the first time, you can play an SACD and receive the raw DSD directly into DirectStream over HDMI.
I get a little confused when we use the term HDMI - as in the PS Audio worldview, HDMI refers to a connector - not the format.
The new Oppo based player will not output HDMI as a format.
so we can Play Redbook, SACD, DVD-A and BD-Pure Audio?