Upcoming PMG signature amp

Wow. Does the Beast come with a free air conditioner? Sounds like the ultimate space heater.

Not that bad, actually. About the same (or maybe a little worse) than the BHK600. They make your butt uncomfortable if you sit on them (I know :blush: ).

Turns out our chief engineer, Bob, decided 100 watts was too much for his comfort level of reliability and he reduced them in half to 50. So, that’s the final number: 50 watts, class A.

Is that Class A wattage an 8 or 4 Ohm spec? Possibly that output would double with a speaker like the Aspen.

Need to be cautious when speculating on Class A power levels, which are typically given into a nominal 8 ohm load. Despite Class AB power output theoretically doubling into 4 ohms, the Class A output does not often similarly double. Some factors which can limit actual Class A power into lower impedances including power supply stability as well as sufficient heat sink capacity to dissipate additional heat. Always best to get actual Class A power delivery specs for any given amp from the manufacturer rather than assuming it will double into a 4 ohm impedance.

No speculation or assumptions here, just in search of the facts. Your observations are dully noted.
I will ask Paul directly on Friday about class A output, but this spec is just a curiosity. More
important is how the amp performs under a speaker load in the real world.

That is kind of sad. 50 watts of class A is a wonderful amount. But 100 is three times more wonderful. :upside_down_face:

You are due for a revelation. Antileon Revelation! :rofl::rofl:

Are you due to win that Lottery you’ve talked about?

I’m way overdue! If I pull off a win though someone I’d rather not mention by name has a pair of Apex mono-blocks for sale. $130k I hate to use the word “bargain” but it is that,

Actually, the load doesn’t matter as a class A spec really means more about how much current is being spent on a continual basis regardless of load or signal. But that’s probably not answering your question well enough.

Amps are funny things. They should be all the “same” but nope. I’ve listened to class A many times and every time it is too warm for my taste. Pass, Plineus, my T+A M40-HV’s all high current class A and every time that “warm”, to me, suffocatiing sound covers everything. I switch back to AB and BAM, way more neutral to the source and that warmer thumb across all sources class A seems to inject is gone.

My T+A M40-HV’s can switch from A to AB flipping two switches they are even bi-wire and bi-amped, and still the AB mode excells. Not just my take, but everyone I blind test likes the AB better. This isn’t the T+A’s deficiency, the warmth follows class A to my ear and EVERY class A I’ve listened to. I 100% agree, this should not be so with zero switching distortion. But, I hear what I hear…so far, with class A.

Galen

With the T&A switch flipped to AB, where does it leave Class A?
PS—I like my AB amps best also.

I guess it’s different with tube tech. The only amps I use are Class A SET amps, and they are far from “warm.”

My old Krell Class A monoblocks sounded so so warm, they often brought very dark thoughts to my brain; to a point I had to switch to all tubes. That helped for many years.

The M40HV are higher bias in class AB, but not insanely so, and idle warmer so a sure sign of a pretty good A bias but yes, I’d like to know that answer, too. Haven’t used them in class A ever except to realize I don’t like them set that way.

I am not a warm sounding listener at all, we have that. Error to me is a more revealing sound where I can hear the source differences and…cable differences. I grew up with ADS 810’s not larger Advents, for example. Most legacy speakers were VERY warm.

Galen

Don’t know all the varients, end sound highly depends on the speaker, too. The M40 HV use twin 6SN7’s @ inputs because tubes excel at VOLTAGE transfer function. Tubes aren’t as hot (output tubes do get “hot”!) at the current transfer function.

Many super high efficiency speakers are far from “warm” and really match well to tubes, I agree with that matching. Dynamic overall and with wonderful low volume micro dynamics. The open baffel type are especially good. Listen to Richard Punto’s TreeHaus Audio set-up with field coil speaker’s. Real eye opener for that kind of sound. No need for the kind of power air suspension speakers require.

I grew up with ADS L710’s. I still have them. They impress me to this day. I always Dreamed of someday getting 910s. A friend owned a pair. I didn’t spend a lot of time listening to them. But oh my!

I have a Gryphon Apex, and an Antileon EVO before it. The Antileon was definitely warm with a rolled off top end. The Apex is completely transparent. It has no flaws I can identify. It can be run with a little Class A and an early swap to AB. The next option is more Class A. The third option is completely Class A. That is where I like it best. I do not have any experience with non-Gryphon Class A amps. I have so much to learn.

I had ADS L810’s with Adcom amp and preamp with Denon turntable. My first system and it got me hooked. Wish i kept those speakers! :slightly_smiling_face:

The newer generation of Gryphon amps are so good! My D333 has the first 10 watts in Class A which covers 90% of my listening. It is the most neutral sounding amp that I have ever heard.

…things are moving too fast in the hobby, Donald. There will probably be something out before the end of the year that’ll sound better. There always is.