Anyone experienced a regenerator making their equipment sound worse?

Power Components
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Come to think of it, I would too!

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I donā€™t think itā€™s fixable.
Good business decision to not even try.

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I canā€™t say Iā€™ve had any issues when I owned a P10 especially with noise. Before I received my P20 I was researching a new streamer and once my current streamer was plugged into the P20 it was substantially improved. My BHK 300ā€™s were also better with the P20! Nothing but love for my P20! Tho like @aangen I to would appreciate outlet improvement.

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Interesting.

I measure .01Vac ground to neutral on my P20ā€™s outlets, the same as out of the wall.

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Did you measure without any equipment plugged into it? This is a very simple measurement so I know it was not an error on my part. I took photos of all the measurements and can post them along with the AP measurements.

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Was your P20 new when you got it? Did you get it from PSA?
Iā€™d love to know because if they took it back for a refund, Iā€™m sure theyā€™d test it. Iā€™d be curious to find out what was wrong with it because thereā€™s nothing inherent in itā€™s design or construction that would present all the problems that you experienced.

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Yes, nothing plugged in.

I offer it as a data point given your experience with the unit is so atypical.

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Now that you add the other effects, it makes sense. Iā€™m gong to try a different solution before my P15: Wyred power conditioner with DC snubbing.

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Yesā€¦ Purchased it from PS Audio.

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Iā€™m not the only one who had issues and returned them. I have read many others on this forum and others. I started researching problems when I discovered the issues with mine.

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From above 16 days ago:

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Thanks.
Iā€™ll post the measurements when my son returns.
Warningā€¦ They are not pretty. Distortion and constant voltage is improved however the noise and impedance is worse than the wall plug. My modified Power Plant Premier measures better however the PPP is not a true regenerator as it was advertised to be.

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Interesting. I donā€™t dispute your claim but I havenā€™t seen them. The only criticism I can remember is when Amir tried one and made the claims you did. He also claimed that the Power Plants are not truly regenerators, calling the claim that they are, essentially a fraud.

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The PPP just ads a generated 60hz AC sine wave +/- over top of the original AC incoming power by connecting the junction of the two paralleled transistors to the hot AC line. (this voltage corrects the waveform and voltage). This is why they were so efficient compared to the original.

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The P20 and other current models too?

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Iā€™m not sure as I did not take it apart nor do I have a schematic of them. I would think not as the impedance was worse then the PPP.

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Worse! Wow!

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A tech from NW Energy came by to measure DC on my AC line. With my $25 multimeter, I had found it varied from 0.6 to 1.24 volts, with a couple of jumps to 1.47 (+/-). The tech measured 2 to 7 volts and the same from one of the P15ā€™s outputs. That raises a potential can of worms question: if filtering DC in front of the P15 doesnā€™t kill hum and improve the sound, then dealing with it after the P15 gets a whole lot more difficult sonically ā€“ and costly.

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I was referring to AC between the neutral and ground. Not DC offset. I only very rarely get DC on the power line and was corrected here with the SurgeX SX-1120-RT.
If your Power Plant is putting out DC I would be concerned also.

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The one post that put me off buying a PSA regenerator, @Dirk post from a while back when his PSA regenerator burnt itself out with plumes of smoke etc!! Yikes. No thank you.

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