Going gapless -- Streamer for use with PWD?

Hi Speeddeacon and others looking for info on jRiver setup,
1. Go to the jRiver Tutorial for the PC Thread the directions for setup are there. You might want to read the thread it has lots of how to dos.
Otherwise go to Media Network
Options
Check Use Media Network to Share this library and enable DLNA.

That is the place to start.
Let me know if you have more questions.
Steven B-)


OK I thought I had everything configured properly but I'm not connected via the bridge. It still only outputs via USB so obviously something is not configured properly. Is there something I'm missing that JRiver needs to output to the PWD over LAN instead of via the computers USB output or is there a setting in the J Remote software that needs configuring?

I don’t know that this will help but . . .

I have an ADL Esprit connect by USB and the PWD connected through my LAN. The USB shows up as the Player in JRiver and the PWD shows up as a separate device in JRiver once the unit is detected on the LAN. If the PWD is not showing up separately for you, then your problem is in the Network section of JRiver. It took me a couple of attempts before I got it right the first time. Each of these individual connections can be setup the same or separately in JRiver. I think most of us have saved the “Autiophile DAC” settings for the PWD LAN connections. Select the device (Player or PWD) and then modify their settings.

I think I have it now. I had not selected the PWD DAC as a zone, thus I was just playing from the J River player. I’m controlling it remotely from work so not there to see/hear if the PWD is indeed receiving it or not but I assume so for now. Thanks.

OK I’m home now and I am indeed connected via LAN to the bridge. J Remote is working, album cover is showing, etc. However, when I try to play a file the buffer loads (6 sec) then it goes back to zero and tries again. Then it skips to the next song and continues the same cycle. Obviously the buffer isn’t loading. I did a reboot of the PWD and J River to no avail. Any ideas?

WaveStream IS a UPnP item


Alekz, I feel like we're going in circles here, and it may just be semantics. But the UPnP devices I am aware of can be controlled by UPnP control points (or are UPnP Control points). Either servers, renderers, control points, or variations on those. The key is interaction.

For an example, see http://elinux.org/UPnP

From what I have read here, WaveStream is merely a driver that diverts a player's output to Ethernet. Indeed, you said earlier that IT isn't controlled remotely; that the player feeding it must to be controlled instead. That seems quite non-UPnP to me.

And that is the root of my apprehension: one has many fewer options for controlling a player remotely than for controlling a UPnP server. Most players are not designed for remote control; all UPnP servers are.

Regardless of that limitation, I intend to give WaveStream a try and see how I like it with Gizmo. If the Bridge with WaveStream is a substantial improvement over my current gapless UPnP stream receiver (the Simaudio MiND), I'll consider buying an iPad to run JRemote.

WaveStream IS a UPnP item


Alekz, I feel like we're going in circles here, and it may just be semantics. But the UPnP devices I am aware of can be controlled by UPnP control points (or are UPnP Control points). Either servers, renderers, control points, or variations on those. The key is interaction.

For an example, see http://elinux.org/UPnP

From what I have read here, WaveStream is merely a driver that diverts a player's output to Ethernet. Indeed, you said earlier that IT isn't controlled remotely; that the player feeding it must to be controlled instead. That seems quite non-UPnP to me.

And that is the root of my apprehension: one has many fewer options for controlling a player remotely than for controlling a UPnP server. Most players are not designed for remote control; all UPnP servers are.

Regardless of that limitation, I intend to give WaveStream a try and see how I like it with Gizmo. If the Bridge with WaveStream is a substantial improvement over my current gapless UPnP stream receiver (the Simaudio MiND), I'll consider buying an iPad to run JRemote.



Are you getting gapless with (the Simaudio MiND), ? To the Bridge?


mike48 said: That seems quite non-UPnP to me.


UPnP is a protocol, it does not dictate the roles. One UPnP "device" can be the renderer, the control point and the UPnP server at the same time, but it is possible that it does not support any external controllers.

For example, JRiver can support UPnP Remote User Interface, but it plays files locally (in this case it's neither UPnP media renderer nor UPnP media server), the WaveStream intercepts the local audio stream and and acts as a UPnP Media Server. The Bridge is the Media Renderer in this case.

In the WaveStream GUI you can choose (locally! no RUI support!) which UPnP renderer you want to use.

@woot Yes, I get gapless playback using the MiND, which feeds the PWD-II via the AES/EBU input. I use several UPnP (DLNA) servers on my computer, as each has shortcomings. The main ones I use are MinimServer and JRiver’s own server. MinimServer also would run directly on a NAS.

See the discussion why the Bridge can not play gaplessly and ideas to solve the issue (and how UPnP works) here: http://forum.minimserver.com/showthread.php?tid=655



Looks like the only right way to solve the issue is to use alternative UPnP renderers compiled for uClinux or write one from scratch.



Or to get rid of the Bridge and use an external computer indeed, aka Silent Server or DIY Silent Server :smiley:



Aren’t we back to the point from where we began? =))

I tried a bunch of streamers/servers with my PWD (Olive 03 and 04 HD, popcorn hour c300, Mac mini, netgear readynas, logitech squeezebox touch and Sonos ZP90).

The one that sounds great and works easiest of all is the one I use now: Sonos ZP90 with Wyred4Sound 92kHz mod.



Nothing is more user friendly and it sounds awesome!

Does the Sonos ZP90 do gapless?



Does it up convert everything to 96kHz? (According to Wyred4Sound’s site you need to choose the frequency of the S?PDIF output.)



Did you try it without the mod first? If so, what difference did you hear?

Only downside if you want to stream high rez music, the sonos only takes up to 16/44.1.

I never paid attention to gapless, I don’t really have any music compilations that are split up in different ‘numbers’.

I do notice that the transition from song to song is way faster and smoother than when streaming from a PC through the bridge.

I had the normal one first and the modded one has way more detail and a better sounding bass.



It re clocks everything to 96kHz.

What about this? http://www.bluesound.com



it seems to pretty new, and reading some feedback it should outperform the Sonos. Also it runs 24 bit as well up to 192kHz.

jvilly, there are many that outperform the Sonos. I’ve had them, but ease of use and stability were more important than a slight difference in sound.

Nothing out there works as easy as a sonos, especially if you use an iPhone to control it. No need for a special NAS or running computer.

Users appear to all love the Sonos.

I agree the UI of Sonos is hard to beat.

I have testet this one now (locally and remote): http://www.teufelaudio.com/raumfeld-audio-streaming/raumfeld-connector-2-p9527.html

It works well, but struggles with hirez transfer.

Also, the S/N ratio is way below satisfaction.

Expect Airplay quality.

I will try homeplug (PLS) opposed to wifi and see what happens.



I still have to try it with the PWD, though.

If PS Audio could buy a license to use the sonos software and build a streamer/server with 24/192 playback, that would be nice.

Or even better, a kind of Olive clone with the sonos UI.

Transport/hard drive/streamer in one. ( for vinyl lovers build in an AD converter to store vinyl as 24/192 files)

With an I2S hdmi output for PWD users…



Problem solved.



Does anyone have the number for Sonos?? Lol

Same here.

I stream Jriver to the Bridge and plug my sp90 by coax to PWD for casual background music.

I have a “flac” folder and a “hiRez” folder on my ext drive and just point Sonos to flac. It never knows the hi-rez files are there so they cannot be selected by error.

I have quite a few Sonos playlists by mood genre and with JR I tend to listen to more complete albums.

My gapless albums are all in one file and wav so they perform as desired.

Life Can be simple and still offer choices.