How to fix hum extended

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Very few audio or video systems are dead quiet. There are usually always a few hum related problems. If your system has a bit of hum, is it the transformer or a ground loop? How do you determine the source of hum and what can you do about it?

Sometimes hums and buzzes are quite obvious, sometimes not. The ‘hum noise’ usually comes in two flavors, a low non-irritating drone (50 or 60 Hz) or a slightly higher pitched buzz or raspy/irritating ‘angry insect’ sound (100 or 120 Hz). Video hum is usually seen as diagonal bars across the TV or screen of a projector.

The low non-irritating drone hum is usually internal to the equipment and is mechanical in nature. The higher-pitched and more irritating ‘buzz’ is typically found emanating from the loudspeakers and is usually caused by a ground loop. The most common cause of hum is the ground loop – fortunately, it is also the easiest to solve.

First, you should determine the type of hum you are dealing with. There are two basic types: 120Hz buzz, typically caused by ground loops, and 60Hz hum, typically a result of poor shielding, cable problems, or close proximity to strong magnetic fields.

To determine which of these you have, listen to the two examples.

60Hz hum caused by close proximity to other equipment or cables problems:

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120Hz hum/buzz typical of ground loop problems.

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Find out what’s making the noise

We first need to divide our search into two categories; mechanical or electrical induced hum.

A mechanically induced hum or buzz is equally easy to determine. Place your ear very near to each piece of your electrical equipment and again, listen for hum and buzz. If you hear a hum emanating from within your equipment, we would refer to this as mechanically induced noise (as opposed to an electrically induced noise).

To see if it is an electrical problem, make sure your system has been on and warmed up for at least 10 minutes, then simply place your ear near the loudspeaker (with no music playing) and listen to determine if the hum or buzz is coming from your speaker. If it is, then at least one component of your problem is electrical. This is the most common and usually caused from a ground loop.

Ground loop hum

Ground loops hums are perhaps the most tedious to track down – yet they are by far the most common.

You typically have a ground loop when the hum or buzz comes out of your loudspeakers.

Ground loops are a result of differing ground potentials. This means that the ground of one AC source or equipment source is at a different level than the ground of another AC source or equipment. This difference is usually amplified in the form of audible or visible hum. Visible hum is usually seen as diagonal bars across the video screen.

Tracking these types of hums down is more difficult and below we have assembled some helpful tips. It is critically important you follow these steps one at a time and don’t miss any.

Tracking down ground loop problems

The easiest way to figure out where ground loop problems lie is by the process of elimination. You need to determine where the hum or buzz is coming from within your system. If it’s a video hum problem, use a known good source like a DVD player rather than cable or satellite. In video, it’s best to always assume that it’s either a connection problem or, more likely, a cable problem. Our experience has shown that poorly shielded video cables cause more hum problems than just about anything else.

In an audio situation, the first suspect in our hunt would be the power amp or the receiver that is driving the loudspeaker. To see if the power amp or the receiver is the culprit, turn them off, disconnect its inputs and turn it back on again. Go back to the speaker and place your ear in close proximity to see if the hum is still there. If it is, then you have a problem with your power amp or receiver and you should seek help from its manufacturer.

If the hum/buzz goes away when you remove the inputs to the power amp, your next step will be to reconnect the amp and move further down the chain. If you were working with a receiver or an integrated amplifier, you will need to jump to step 4. If you have a preamp, or processor that is feeding the power amp, your next step would be to disconnect all inputs to the preamplifier or processor. Once these are disconnected, and the preamp or processor is connected only to the power amplifier, turn the system on and again, listen for hum. Should the hum now appear, it is a problem with your preamp or processor or their interaction with the power amp. Before returning the preamp or processor to the manufacturer, try a cheater plug to break a ground loop. Cheater plugs are simple devices that convert a three prong AC plug into a two prong AC plug and in the act of converting three prongs, to two prongs, they disconnect the ground from the wall socket. Try one of these on the preamp, or the power amp, or both.

If an AC cheater plug work, replace it with a HUM X. Using a cheater plug may not be the safest alternative.

HUM X

If you determine that there is still no hum present when the preamp, processor or receiver is connected with no inputs, then selectively begin plugging in your various inputs one at a time. After each connection, check for hum until you discover the humming culprit.

VCR’s, surround processors, and any device that is connected to a television cable or satellite dish can cause a loud buzz and should always be suspect. If, by the process of elimination described above, you determine it is a component like a VCR that is causing the hum/buzz to occur, and using a cheater plug or removing the ground pin on a PS AC Series Power Cable doesn’t help matters, it may be necessary to isolate the cable connection (CATV) with an isolation transformer. This inexpensive device is available at most Wal Mart, Radio Shack or department store type outlets and is sometimes called a ‘matching transformer’. If you have problems finding one, call your local cable TV company for advice. The matching transformer will be placed between the cable TV cord and the VCR, TV or processor.

Here’s an example of a good isolation transformer you can purchase online.

Ground isolater

Just remember, take the system down to its simplest level of connection. Find a way to hook the system up with as many pieces of the system missing or not connected. Keep it simple and get it to the point where the hum’s gone. Then start adding back components one at a time until the hum returns.

Mechanical hum

If it’s mechanically induced hum/buzz it is usually heard coming from inside the equipment. The causes for this are poorly designed power transformers and/or DC on the AC line. The PS Audio Power Plant series can remove DC from the AC line if that is the problem.

Mechanically induced hum is caused, almost entirely, by the transformer. If you suffer from this noise problem, you’ve probably also noticed that it’s intensity varies depending on the time of day, sometimes even the time of month. The reason it varies is due, in large part, to the quality of the AC line voltage, the construction of the transformer and how much DC is on it.

Why do transformers hum?

We could use the tired saying ‘because they don’t know the words,’ but that might get us sidetracked.

The short and simple answer is that transformers hum because of an effect known as ‘lamination rattle’ caused by DC voltage on the line or poor construction or both. ‘Lam’ rattle occurs in all transformers to some degree, that degree being related to the quality of the transformer and the quality of the line voltage.

Finding the problem is 9/10th of the work in finding a solution.

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If it only happens when listening to a Glenn Gould recording, ignore.

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For amp transformer hum (not PS Audio), how do you address DC voltage?

My integrated amp has three inputs, two of them hum, and in the third no. In the ones that hum, just with the cables connect, without any device. With a device connected it just becomes louder.

Welcome, @davetruestory

I’ve been putting off a hum in my HT, but got this from McIntosh…hope i helps:

Trouble shooting for Hum in an Audio system

There can be 2 kinds, Electrical Hum coming out the speakers, and mechanical hum coming from an amp or component itself.

Electrical hum:
Typically this is a low frequency, 60Hz or 60 cycles per second, which is the same frequency as a few notes up from lowest on a Bass guitar, or 15th key from the left on a piano. This is frequency at which the Alternating Current (AC) in your wall cycles (actually, 60Hz in the western hemisphere and 50Hz in the Eastern)
There are several possible causes:

  1. Ground Loop: When he resistance from a component to the fusebox is not the same on all components (say, if the preamp has a resistance of 2 ohms back to the fuse box and the amplifier sees 3 ohms back to it), then, if the amp needs to bleed off current, instead of going down the 3rd wire in the amp’s electrical cord, it will see the preamp has the path of least resistance and the current will go up the interconnects back to the preamp and the preamp’s power cord. In doing so, the current will go through the audio circuitry and them be injected into the signal. To Test for a ground loop Try putting a ground lift ( a cheater plug that removes the 3rd prong from the power cord) on each component in the system w/ a 3-prong power cord. If you have a ground loop, you will find at least 2 units that cause the HUM to go away when their ground is lifted, you can then re-arrange where they are plugged in to try and give them the same potential (resistance) to ground

  2. TV Cable induced hum: The TV cable travels for many miles down the street parallel to electrical wires and can induce a 60Hz hum from them. If ANY component connected to cable is hooked to the system (like an audio feed back from the TV) there can be induced noise from the cable, un hook the TV cable BEFORE it connects to ANYTHING in the house, if the hum stops, you need a cable ground isolator, like the VRD-1ff FROM Jensen Transformers.

  3. A bad shield on an interconnect: in a stereo pair of RCA’s, the shield can be broken on one and the shield on the other will act as – for the other, so you will still get sound in both channels, even though the shield on one is broken and not shielding RF from radiating into the signal path. Un-hook each inter connect in the system, one at a time, to see if the hum goes away.

  4. Induced noise from power cords: If you have interconnects running parallel to power cords in the system (or god forbid, bundled together)

I tried the cheater plug and didn’t work, I don’t have a tv in the listening room. The hum only appears in two of the imputs. Now I’m using the thitd input without any hum.

One of my two woofers has hum after I installed a new music server. It is active. If I unplug the A/C cord to the woofer, the hum disappears. I guess I will do without one woofer for now.

New to the forum. I joined because I wanted to figure out why my speaker started smoking. Took an old Denon amp out of storage. Hooked it up to the speakers, nothing else. Immediately upon turning on the amp I heard a buzz. Sounded more like a 60hz. But then a crackle started and grew louder. That’s when I noticed the smoke and plastic burning smell coming from the speaker port hole. Tried the speakers on another amp. Seemed fine, so hopefully they didn’t get too damaged. All that to ask two questions. 1) Any ideas on what happened? 2) Is a mid 80s Denon (DRA-550) worth messing with? Lots of memories and love the look of it, but…

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Do they have L- pads. I smoked a few those in the college party days. Heat meted the plastic into the coil. But that was after 150 plus watts and 8 hours. Scraped of the burnt plastic on coils cut away melted plastic so knobs moved. A couple new tweeters.Partied on the next weekend.

Sound like the amp passed DC current into the speakers.

I fixed most of HUM problem by replacing the power supply of my Pre (soon to be replaced with a DAC II), also added hum eliminator on its line.

Still have a slight “screech” noise which gets worse when I activate a dimmer (I have 3 leviton dimmers in a 3 gang setup. Only one changes the noise).

Lights are a different breaker than the outlets.

Thoughts?

Is that circuit on the particular dimmer a problem? Is that dimmer defective (the other identical 2 don’t make noise).

FYI lights are dimmable LED.

I appreciate ideas.

What type of interconnects are you using (RCA/XLR)? It’s possible that an unbalanced connection could be the culprit. Have you gone through the process of disconnecting and unplugging all the individual pieces in your system? I do know that dimmers are tricky. If you only have a problem with one of them, try changing it. Maybe just try a standard switch or simply cap your light switch wires and see if it stops.

Thanks Jakes!

Very high end RCAs. I will remove 2 of the dimmers and just keep the “mood” one (no noise on that one yet) and see what happens. As I mentioned, I noticed that the right channel has a very dim “screech” noise but have realized that the left has a cycling “mid range” noise.

This is with only the Servo controller of the speakers and the high frequency amps on. All else is off.

Disconnecting the line in to the amps does not change the noise thus why I think it must be on the power line OR maybe RF?

Have you tried reversing the left and right channels to see if the screech switches sides?

What amps are you using? Are they tubed? If so, you may try pulling and resetting your tubes.

Will try that. Manley Snappers just returned from check up and tuning on Sunday

Ok. Swapped amps; same issue. Disconnected everything else (including the whole house audio, video and computer setup located in adjacent room-separate circuit; tripped electric car circuit breaker). Noise remains.

Has to be a dimmer going bad (noise was not present before). If that doesn’t solve it…???

Isolation transformer on the power lines to the amps?

I have to figure out what capacity I need (2 Threshold 12e + 2 Manley Snappers)

Thoughts?

I would think if it’s tied to the lights and the dimmer(s), that you could simply turn off that breaker and see if the sounds stops. As for isolation transformers i only have experience with a very small version designed to clean up RCA cables. Paul spoke about isolation transformers about a year ago:

I use the p15 power plant and am very pleased with the results. Hopefully, it’s just your dimmers.

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It could very well be the dimmer, but if you are using LED lighting it could be one of the power supplies going bad in one of the lights also.

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