'I Like the Music, But Not the Musician'

You have nothing to apologize for that I can discern.

And your question as to what degree one should care what an artist thinks is both relevant and significant.

To answer, I weight their views as I would anyone else - are they intelligent, well-informed, thoughtful? If so, I am interested in what they have to say. If they are self-obsessed dullards their pronouncements are of no value.

Then there is the separate question as to whether one should support an artist who holds what you feel to be offensive views or acts abhorrently. I find the question intriguing as it pits my enjoyment against my values - it is pretty easy to start rationalizing to allow the enjoyment side win. :slight_smile:

The question gets harder when the artist is dead and his actions are long ago relegated to history.

(I had not herd of Sealioning as a term. Fun.)

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Thought of you guys when I got this just now…

Uh oh . . .

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While I enjoy their earliest albums, for Eric up through Derek and the Dominos, and Van through Veedon Fleece. Their subsequent releases never did much for me. Eric having sold out and Van, well… Not much use for either in the 2020’s. Just my opinion. I do feel for the struggling musicians and venues, but there’s a limit.

Speaking of Van Morrison and his some of his recent attitudes, is “March Winds in February” a sincere song about climate change, or is he being sarcastic? As in, “ooh, a temperate winter in the Côte d’Azur - what an awful challenge for everyone” (as he rolls his eyes).

Uh oh yet again … big fan of much of EC’s music, but this is getting ridiculous:


As a guitar player who knew every brilliant Clapton solo fifty years ago, I can’t understand how he can still be playing the same pentatonic scales in an occasional different key today? If he doesn’t want to play, it’s up to him. 1-4-5…1-4-5…1-4-5…1-4-5…----key change!


I wonder about the “god” reputation of several guitarists, he’s one of them.


@jazznut Reminds me of an old joke:

A man dies and goes to Heaven. Saint Peter shows him around. They pass a thin woman with long hair and round tinted eyeglasses belting out the blues. The deceased man says to Saint Peter, “let me guess, Janis Joplin?” “Correct,” Saint Peter responds. They continue walking and pass a man with a large Afro and psychedelic clothing wailing on guitar. “Jimi Hendrix?”, the deceased man says to Saint Peter. “Right again,” Saint Peter replies. Next, they pass a man with long white hair and a long white beard playing fast blues licks on a Fender Stratocaster. “Eric Clapton?”, the deceased man guesses. “No,” says Saint Peter. “That’s God; he just thinks he’s Clapton.”


Eric Clapton lost his relevance and musical authority some where after Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs. He was a bit of a sell out after that. I can’t imagine seeing him live now, Geezer Rock to these ears.
Time to spin that which I own, no more coin for Eric C:

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Back when Clapton was “god”, he was breaking new ground. He had his own unique sound & style. He told a story with his solos. He was brilliant in his use of chords and double stops within the body of his solos. His solos ebbed and flowed; lots of tension and release. I often wonder why inventiveness stops over time with musicians.
Too bad Zappa died. I’d bet he would be brilliant and unrecognizable from the original today.


Yes, he was innovative and worth listening to. His early recordings remain worth listening to.

But then, sadly, he began phoning in his performances.

Clapton’s strength, to these ears, was the tension created within Cream, what with all the EGO of Bruce, Baker, and Clapton. Clapton owes credit to



Agree that I would not pay to see EC live today regardless of his vaccination politics, but IMO he made some good music after LaOALS (which is one of my favorite albums by anyone). For example, Eric Clapton’s Rainbow Concert (recorded Jan. 1973) and Just One Night (recorded Dec. 1979). Even Live in San Diego (recorded Mar. 2007) has many great moments.

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I’m most comfortable thinking it’s corporate pressure that kills the creative “vegus” nerve. Maybe Vegas kills the vagus.


After Layla I pretty much was drilling down a deep jazz hole, and passed on most “popular” music of the '70s, for better or worse. With LaOALS, Duane had a lot of appeal for me. Truly a great album.


Burn-out and the need to keep the Mercedes or is it Maserati fueled…


OK–here comes the hate-------In my opinion, the best thing Duane ever did was his brilliant rhythm playing behind Layla.

Never thought of it that way, Still appreciate his Fillmore work.

Great album that I just ordered on vinyl but too many cringe-worthy moments even if it was live.