POLL: Do you care about measurements?

Along the same lines (sort of), I’ve always found the use of “congratulations” in response to someone’s decision to purchase a piece of gear a little peculiar. I usually associate congratulations with acknowledgement of an accomplishment. In my mind, offering up a credit card number to make a purchase seems a stretch with that definition. What IS worthy of congratulations is the work ethic and career decisions of the purchaser (or in some cases, a wise choice of parents :rofl:) that now provides the disposable income to make such purchases possible. So… for purchases, I offer my best wishes for audio bliss. Congratulations? Bah. :grin:

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Has anybody here hinted measurements "define perfection " ?

There’s so-called “perfection” to us individually but not universally. We need to aim for what sounds best to us individually. We each have different hearing capacities. No two of us hear exactly alike. And that’s ok as there is audio gear that gets us to perfection “for us” individually ….

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There are those that focus only on measurements and discredit listening. There are others that ignore all measurements. Both are wrong. Some use measurements to put their own negative spin on things when there are positive things found in those same measurements.

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If you read the research of Floyd Toole and Sean Olive (who inspired everyone in speaker design) you will see why you can not rely on sighted listening for determining best sound quality. That research is solid

For us fun hobbyists we just want what makes us happy, so i cannot have a problem with enjoying what makes us happy.

But people obsessing about what paid reviewers think is silly to me

I refer to the JA Stereophile review of DirectStream Mk2 discussion thread

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You do realize you’re on an audiophile forum where listening is not only highly important, but essential?

Did you read this part:

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That’s hysterical. I was at an auction a few years ago, where someone paid $5.5Million for a Ferrari. Everyone around this guy was cheering, applauding and congratulating him as if he risked his life to save a child from a burning building.

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Much of the UK speaker business is owned and designed by former BBC engineers, which has had a highly active research department for around 100 years. The BBC still collects license fees for speaker designs from the 1970s, which remain very popular. I’ve used such designs for most of the last 40 years. I suggest your statement is a bit wide of the mark.

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If you read the latest KEF whitepapers (one is linked above but I link more for their entire range) you will see references.

I don’t know about the 70’s but if you chat with KEF’s head of acoustics in 2023 (Jack), he will explain Harman Research’s influence :slight_smile:

I’m sure @Chris_Brunhaver will explain the significance of these same references:

Not sure about your “wide of the mark” comment but I suggest you read these and discuss with the best speaker designers of today

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If you listen to Floyd Toole you might as well get yourself a multi channel system.

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Should you tell his partner in crime Dr Sean Olive to only listen to multichannel??

Harman research doesn’t apply to 2-channel??

Makes no sense.

:wink:

Sleeping on stage

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Everyone? Not true.

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Who obsesses about reviews? To the contrary, the HFN review of FR20 has been heavily criticised in this thread because of the measurements, which turn out to be wrong.

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I shall not be reading those books, or any others. I have no interest. We bought speakers in 2020, not planning to change them for at least 10 years. My wife and I enjoy both the looks and the sound, it was a joint decision, measurements were not involved.

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Since you brought up :

Why not discuss it with Jack at KEF (UK…) ?

Its worthwhile to update knowledge to what is happening in 2023 in terms of the state of the art speaker performance and the research behind it.

Genelec publish a lot of research still to this day too.

And of course many companies keep stuff in house.

In fact since Harman was acquired by Samsung, they are not publishing research like they used to…

Competitive advantage etc… which makes sense.

But any good speaker designer will have Toole’s book on the shelf (as well as other resources obviously)

Am still waiting for “fun and happiness” to appear

It was there. Did you read it (again) :wink:

even if perfect measurements AND SQ, not interested…even if free…

or these…

or these…

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