Bad review of PS P12

Fantastic! Another person with no clear ownership or sign that they have heard or even seen in person a PP.

Welcome?

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@RonP Perhaps you can expand on your favorite restaurant a bit more?

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You changed the position including the angle of the camera. You don’t think that doesn’t change the color rendition on a flat screen display? And people here say ASR doesn’t know how to perform a scientific test! If this is how some of you evaluate audio differences that explains a lot.

You must not change anything acoustically including your exact sitting position. That means no extra noises like your HVAC coming on. If the dog comes into the room between tests, that can change the room acoustics depending on where they lay down.

Proper testing must have a stable environment and trusted controls.

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Dont use expletives like that!!!

Not the place for them

Since @weedeewop abdicated his duties…

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A hand held camera, possibly even a cell phone, taking critical image comparison photos at two different positions and focal length?

Yup, this really scientific. Nobody can rebutt that!

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Please, please take the picture without moving the camera. You don’t even have to show the power cables. If the images are different, you will have proven the point. That is the best chance we have to get a breakthrough in this discussion.

Too many "t"s please fix this, we have standards.

I’ll get an argument that the power draw at my neighbor changed the power grid draw because they turned on their bathroom fan and lights to remove the stink smell.

Was not a controlled test. OMG.

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That is way too long of a post for all but the most dedicated to this thread to read ; )

I don’t think it will lead to a breakthrough. Next we’ll be told that Sony Wega’s and Pioneer Elite plasmas have garbage power supplies.

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Since this is my third post since I swore and oath to myself to refrain from posting in this thread, I guess I am an oathbreaker.

Sigh.

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Context glimmie context…without the context you have nothing…
my reply to Vmax is related to the clipped incoming sine wave
and the outgoing regenerate sine wave…

Dont quote me out of context!!

Not the tv screen

That glimmie is real science with a there you have it from
Vmax’s regenerator screens…

Not the empty ones you bring forth

Well, you’re right Glimmie, we do have the same equipment and we already publish the specs from the units based on those measurements from that equipment. Why would we bother to do it again?

I am not sure who doesn’t believe our measurements. I am not a b ig fan of expensing energy in fighting a battle with someone who clearly has either a defective unit or doesn’t quite know what they are doing.

Either way, we have bigger fish to fry than too expend energy defending that which we already know to be correct.

We measure maybe 10 or so of these units a day in production. We have full documentation on every single unit ever produced. I won’t bother spending energy on this.

I think that over the past 50 years of honest work and equipment we’ve earned the trust of our customers.

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And I did not comment on that because it’s not relevant. That slight distortion is not going to cause an image problem. Remember the TV has a switch mode power supply. The power from that is a lot more dirty than the AC line…

And I, ASR, and others have all agreed the Power Plant does reduce AC power distortion. That has never been disputed. Amir noted the even though he measured higher then the from panel display, the figure was still below the PS Audio specs.

What you don’t get is the fact that the level of distortion on a typical AC power line is not going to cause audible problems and certainly not video problems on current digital video system.

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Absolutely Paul right on

Not worth wasting time or energy with these guys…

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Seriously, you need to fix this, I won’t be able to sleep tonight.

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That is correct, Glimmie. The lack of distortion really hasn’t anything directly to do with sound quality. We never suggested it does. What impacts sound quality turns out to be the regulation of the voltage/and the low impedance - both related. The distortion can help slightly to better charge the power supply caps and lower ripple (as we do on MultiWave - very measurable). Hope that helps.

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I really wonder why people are so aggressive towards a review. and i dont mean people from PS audio them self, but the people here on the forum defending what they bought.
Many trying to frame it as, incorrect without being able to tell what is incorrect about it.
Or saying its all because of clicks and views… ooh wow his video has 6k views… thats like 6 euro… that must be the reason he did an incorrect measurement and would risk any credibility for 6 whole euros… come on… wake up.

Particularly : vkennedy61 has nothing else to do then posting useless posts whenever someone try’s to explain something. besides that he posted “lets close this thread” every few hours… not sure why he wants that. if you dont want to follow it go do something else ?