Good try, those recipes mean nothing until they have been peer reviewed, preferably with a cold beer and a movie.
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I am a longtime P5 owner and I finally had the chance to watch the latest (final?)ASR VIDEO review of the P12. IN FULL! I would do so and any possible derogatory comment I have made about them in the past stands corrected.
I must say that what he has to say has merit. The P5 has served me well, but at least the review has convinced me to trust my ears when trying out equipment …
…try to listen again without thePowerPlant rather than blindly follow other reviews or manufacturer spec. I laud ASR for doing the tests just as I laud PSA for giving us the choice of options to try out their products.
ok last post i though you know what i wont reply, lets be that guy. but noooo. you even reply twice to try and keep things going (you did not receive a post from me just try again ?). you are a pathetic little troll , that acts like a child. ask your Ms likes to bake, why, she raised her son without manners and why her son acts like a 12 year old at this age.
go post that crappy GIF again. do your little troll routine. allot of posts no substance kind of guy.
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bragging about the amount you spent on crap… reminds me of kids.
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dont want to be part of a crowed. i want proof of claims made. thats all. if you decide to use equipment for whatever reason thats fine. but whats wrong with having correct information about products in general like measurements and specs that are correct. why are ‘these listeners’ so against having that? you can still use, like or buy whatever you want. whats the deal ?
Going in discussion about what is better might be troublesome since all the cables will faill a null test compared to the cable you got with the product. people cant argue with a null tests. since it does not measure something in particularity it let you hear the difference between your expensive cable and any other cable. probably seen by most The Null Tester - YouTube
But… you haven’t answered my question about power cables. I would love you to tell us what you know about power cables. I think that would be a fun discussion.
there is nothing to know, get the correct gauge, wire for the amount of power drawn and ur done. just like the cable in you wall is rated for x amounts of amps. the last 1 meter or foot or whatever is no different. except practical, insulation (safety, and practical) or aesthetic differences. that was easy
Cool!! Welcome to the forum. Are you an engineer too?
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@tedsmith , thanks again for contributing. You really have a nice and easy way of tackling such questions.
I think I can follow your reasoning regarring digital.to analog transitioning, and it seems pretty logical. The last drop for me is: wouldn’t such differences be measurable in any instance (by, lets say, color calibration devices)? Or we can assume that our eyes in this case are good enough for this last adjustment so engineering should not bother (as in waste time and effort) measuring?
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The problem here is that you think what he said was logical. A power plant is NOT going to subtly increase the fidelity of your HDMI signal television. It’s literally impossible. It doesn’t matter how smooth a talker or how many chief digital dude titles one has. That’s not how it works.
It also happens to be incredibly easy to prove this claim wrong. Have you thought about TV calibration equipment? Do you think science is unable to measure colors or brightness as well? If a power plant made a visual difference you don’t think it would be measurable? There’s something magical about modern TV reproduction that nobody understands except PS Audio? If that were true, how do companies design, manufacturer, and calibrate televisions?
Seriously, even if you don’t believe in clear objective evidence all you have to do is run a single blind test on your own TV. Have a friend or significant other swap the power source to your TV from your wall outlet to the P12 (or whatever power plant you own) and see if you can identify which power source it is using. You can use a static image or just watch content for a little bit. If the change is real, with the relatively quick changeover time, you shouldn’t have a problem correctly identifying the P12 a statistically significant percentage of the time. You can do that for yourself, no digital guru needed! You’d be the first person in history to be able to do so, does that not tell you something already? Ask yourself, what would it actually take to convince you?
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A good deal of this thread has deteriorated to personal insults, deliberate efforts to annoy other posters, coupled with inflammatory snide comments and demaning phrases. Enough already.
I am going to let this thread continue for a bit, but will close it if it does not turn around quickly.
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Think Vmax was using the P20.
P12 and P3 owner here (in the same 2 channel audio system).
I appreciate that ASR has tried to figure out the benefit. I wish that they had a glowing review, but they do not. IIRC, wasn’t the P12 loaned to Amir? So one box, from an unknown source. How do we know that box was functioning correctly and represents all of the other boxes? Seems like a small and questionable sample size. Am I incorrect?
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I think this nicely captured the crux of this age-old hobbyists’ debate. Unless and until data is coupled with observation, it is difficult to draw defensible conclusions.
@WATChad I asked the very same question. Only ASR knows where but unfortunately does not work with the vendors directly so replacement was not available.
I have seen some other ASR reviews, in few cases it helps. The Matrix Mini Pro 3. Out of the gate had some noise (really bad) and they issues a firmware fix to him and it was way better. Thats how its supposed to work. But not in this case.
Yep. That would be the ideal outcome for me as a consumer. I do not like that there is no agreement on the measurements or how to obtain them, etc.
Welcome and good luck in your adventure. I’ve had tremendous experiences with PSA gear.
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Welcome, @GeeWhiz !
This thread is atypical. This is normally an enthusiastic, fun, respectful place. This topic has unfortunately brought out bad behavior uncommon for this forum.
Please hang around and continue to check out the Sprout, it is a neat piece of kit.
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I know that what I saw is easily measurable. Non-stable images are easily measured. Differences in color purity are easily measured. Brightness levels changing is easily measured. Video is different than audio in at least a few interesting ways. Video is a lot of (relatively) low resolution information. Audio is (relatively) less information, but with much higher resolution. Video can be freeze framed, but audio can’t. These differences are very significant and measuring small effects in video doesn’t require the resolution needed to measure small effects in audio.
I don’t poo-poo measuring, and measuring video, like audio, is great for detecting out of spec issues and gaining deeper insight into subtle phenomena, but we just don’t know all of the correlations of things we can measure against things we can hear. For example the ear is amazingly good at hearing detail even in white noise and amazingly sensitive to non-white noise.
Anyway I’m rambling…
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No I don’t have any video measurement equipment.
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…then don’t believe your lying eyes!
/sarc.
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