Belden ICONOCLAST Interconnects and Speaker Cabling

Great update. I think that you’ve got some winners there. The price is very reasonable by Audiophile standards. Now, throw on some tech flex and it’s worth 4 times more.

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Thanks Bob!

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Will there be more expensive Iconoclast power cables in the future?

The answer is yes. See Galen’s post of 1 April above in this thread.

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Saweet!

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Hi Bob,
Is a Schuko europlug available instead of the US wall plug for us across the pond?

Of course! :grin: It will require a substantial investment to do the engineering documentation and first 5,000 foot production run. We like to crawl before we walk and walk before we run. I offer that you would be well served to simply try one of these cables before you spend more on a power cable. These power cords are worth a shot since the risk is a $15 USPS flat rate box to return…

Thank you for the question jiffibob32. This is not something we have considered and to answer your question, not at this time.

@BobBJC Just an FYI. I had to flush the Firefox cache in order to get the order page to work. As soon as I get lengths figured out I will order several. Pricing is crazy good.

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Thank you sir. I will let the powers to know of your difficulty. Thank you for the heads up and for the opportunity!

@BobBJC
I will give you a call tomorrow morning likely,

keep getting declined error.

Chris

Thank you Chris, 850-860-0940 cell.

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Here is the LOGIC behind bigger AWG size power cords. Noise is still conductor noise current times the cable’s DCR. The DCR of the power cord makes the GROUND potential different at each end, thus their will be a “ground loop” current. generally a ground loop is bad enough to HEAR, but since we can’t make the DCR at EVERY spot in the ground EXACT, we have this stuff called wire between them, we do have current in the “ground”. The bigger the AWG the less we will create this situation.

The EPDM dielectric is used because it is the very best passive RF filter I have tested;

The DCR is LOWER than reference cords and at the higher frequencies it has higher losses, exactly what we want (pink trace). RF does not like to travel in this cord. The Impedance goes up quickly at RF compared to other dielectrics.

The current BAV design is;
21.0 pF/foot nominal capacitance.
0.20 uH/foot nominal Inductance.

The ICONOCLAST cord will strive to drop inductance and hold capacitance. But, it will be a larger cord as the SHIELD we will add needs to be SPACED from the core to lower capacitance. And, the inner wires will need special, and larger, geometry to cancel magnetic fields to drop inductance to a calculated 0.15 uH/foot WITH shield. The star quad cancels the fields enough to drop inductance about 15-20%. This all needs to make it from paper to product, though. Capacitance is a harder call as it is more non linear with distance to the shield.

Best,
Galen Gareis

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Holy cr@p that pricing is crazy good! :open_mouth: I’ll be curious to see how the Iconoclast variant prices out.

Great info as usual, Galen. But which one would be the best to run through the walls, across the attic, and back down for a CAT6 based audio backbone?

I was wondering the same thing so then I looked up the difference between Plenum and Riser cable (the P and R), which has to do with fire and smoke rating. Also Plenum is almost twice the price and seems only needed if you run this though air ducts I believe - but you should check yourself, there might be building code regulations for this. The cable design itself seemed identical. It’s an interesting design, two parallel sub-cables, quite different from the usual round cables.

This is where I know too much, not that THAT ever happens too often!

10G is CAT6 internal electricals but tested to 500 MHz intead of 250 MHz where CAT6 stops. The specs are “exended” . That’s one difference.

Second is 10G requires an ALIEN cable-to-cable NEXT value called ALIEN cross talk. Not noise cross talk from inside the cable, but external to the cable. ANEXT verses NEXT.

OK, now we have a HOUSE that is NOT a data center with hundreds of cables in BUNDLES for ALIEN cross talk issues. So what, right? Well, if we look at 3600 or 4800 series cable, it is measured for internals to 500 MHz on more (even to 625 MHz) exceeding CAT6 internals BELOW 250 MHz even. And, we have no other cables around for ALIEN cross talk.

Third, we aren’t running 328 feet worst case, our ACR, Attenuation to NEXT, is very good…so noise is way down there.

This says we COULD use 3600 series CAT6 cable to run 10G in the typical house. There is even a IEEE addendum to TEST standard CAT6 permanet links to run 10G that are already installed to give a level of confidence that it will work. This is more a test of what’s there than determine what to put in new (most go to 6A to be safe in a business).

If you run a CAT6, it has to be tested to 500 MHz minimum, and also be CAT6 or higher base electricals. We call this a “plus” series cable which the 3600 is. The numbers 1200, 2400, 3600, 4800 are the Shannons law BW of each cable in MB/sec. So anything above 2400 series is a plus requirement internal electrical cable.

But, starting NEW I’d still use 10GXS12 riser in walls and attics or 10GXS13 (plenum air spaces / ducts). Sure, you can argue 3612/13 will work but…??? Do you want to do this installation again?

The “last” thing on the cable, and my comments, are the connectors. Yep, on the cable ends. These HAVE TO BE 10G rated X-MATRIX or equivalent connectors, plugs and jacks. No if ands or buts to work to 500 MHz 10G and on ANY type 500 MHz or higher tested and installed CAT6 cable.

10G plugs and jacks have special internal components to manage RL and NEXT at extreme frequencies. So 3600 will require 10G, not CAT6, connectors to work reliably to WORST CASE distances. Sure, some shorter run 250 MHz CAT6 can still meet ACR to 500 MHz but I can’t reliably tell you what that distance is except that it is ABOUT 120 feet with regular 250 MHz CAT6. Why? Easy, it isn’t tested above 250 MHz! The data is an AVERAGE of cables installed. Not every CAT6 will have zero RL spikes from 250-500 that will kill the ACR yet have zero effect for 250 MHz CAT6. And yes, this is with 10G connectors! Use CAT6 connectors and that 120 feet is worse on average. Sure, find an installed cable that goes 135 feet…and shoot me. I said “average”.

For as little as it costs, use 10GXS (smaller iso-shield desgn) or 10GX (larger UTP design) 6A. This will get you EVERY Ethernet there is accounted for; 10Meg, 100Meg, 1G, 2.5G, 5G and 10G.

Best,
Galen

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Tony, the Iconoclast power cable is a long way out. We truly believe that power cables are usually messed up by over thinking and over engineering what should normally be a simple design inclusive of exceptionally high quality cord, solid and well engineered connectivity components and attention to detail in the prep and hand terminations. Everyone has heard of the KISS philosophy and that’s what Galen has done.

We use highest quality Belden cord, custom built connectors and the 2-best termination techs (Andrew and Jeff) and you have a power cable that we are happy to compare with anyones current cable. Does it have to be better than your $1k cable? No, it only has to be as good and one that you can not tell the difference when you compare. Then you can sell your $1k cable on Audiogon, and pocket a nice sum. No risk in trying one…excepting the USPS flat rate box if we don’t compare.

Lots of these are leaving the building so it won’t be long before we get some customer feedback… Stay tuned.

We wish everyone an enjoyable and safe Memorial Day weekend. We should all reflect on the souls that we remember and be grateful for their sacrifice. Semper Fidelis!

George Approves, Fed Ex just delivered a few more.

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I see the final inspector is putting the hawkeye on them before they ship!

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Yes sir and he’s anal about sound quality! It’s all about the ears and the nose.

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