Belden ICONOCLAST Interconnects and Speaker Cabling

It was hard to put words to it. Twas the night before Christmas came to mind. What was clatter is now crystal clear and shown in light.

I did listen to Limehouse Blues from Jazz at the Pawn shop. The garbled talking and glasses clinking in the distance turn to a seat at the table the conversation is now words it is like you picture a Linen Tablecloth and place setting a true seat at the table.

It might be too distracting for some. It reminds me of the Bionic Woman TV series where Lindsay Wagner had a bionic ear implant that allowed hear to tune into a conversation at great distance. You find yourself dialing in or zooming in on details that are at distinct locations in the soundstage. Background singers or certain instrumentalists or even the vocal intonations of the lead singer. The human brain likes to localize sound and the series II plays along with that hearing ability. Sort of like going primal. If i turn off DSP it is not as obvious because bass will muddy it. But if your speakers are highly resolving like line arrays with low distortion per driver or single drivers that are low distortion my speakers with copper shield rings between coil and magnet. My speakers though decades old offer both technologies . These new series II Iconoclast speaker wires take it to a level, I have never thought possible.

I think the difference between Series I and Series II Iconoclast can be summed up.

Series i the Spectator cable for those seeking entertainment orchestral floor seat

Series II the Eavesdropper cable for the private investigator and music forensic scientist sitting beside the conductor.

All said with a bit of jest but does holds merit if you like resolving capabilities and are interested in how far you can take your system.

Great review Vmax…did you hear the coins going into the
cash register? Right close to the begining…

And that vibraphone…wow…
From what I recollect…it seems that Jazz At The Pawnshop
was the first recording to ever go to cd…don’t know
if that is true or not…but it is a great recording!!

Best wishes

Thanks! The coins Were always there. The distinct voices and conversations intelligibility of words was definitely new. Vibraphone is exquisite. Less extended ringing series II versus series I more distinct intonations and more mallet initial impact with the II. It just brings us closer.

I can’t say the cable changes WHAT we hear, but HOW we hear it.

If you take two like sinewaves, to keep it simple, and put them in phase the amplitude will double but the sound will remain identical.

The really aggravating thing about analog, is that when we SHIFT the phase, and worse add group delay (we got rid of that in this example using two of the same frequency) we see really strange stuff happen to the superimposed composit signal. Keep shifting the two like sine waves and the signal disappears. Every TINY shift can have BIG impacts on the voltage level in time. Fast rise time functions get worse and worse distortion with phase shift.

With real signals, like music, both the initial phase and the signal speed with frequency (Vp) down the cable change. The good news is there is little time for the signals to “shift” as the speed of the EM wave is still very fast. And it is TIME adjusted.

The classic verbal equation goes like this;

The superposition principle states that when two or more waves overlap in space, the resultant disturbance is equal to the algebraic sum of the individual disturbances at each point in time.

That’s the part, at each point in time, that changes everything we can possibly hear. On paper, the changes to series II cable are SMALL in the true time domain space even if the percentages are larger (10% and more). What we have is an experiment to see just what the ear can hear when we alter the time domain relationship of the fundamental to the harmonics. No cable is so bad that a piano can’t be identified as a piano. How much of the sound of a true piano can we retain? That’s our hobby.

Many will comment that until we address the inaccuracies in speakers, the worst offenders that we have, the rest of the chain isn’t a “problem” going by the numbers and that the added distortions are small compared to a speaker’s.

That’s a true assessment of the WEIGHT of the inaccuracies but not a proper analysis of the effect of the inaccuracies. It depends on the idea that anything but the speaker’s distortions to be inaudible. We know that’s not true as studies have used the same speaker and changed the front end electronics and listeners report a different sound. Maybe not “huge” no, but the electronics do count, still.

We offer a real change in the series I and II IC and speaker cables to trial. With real cable changes, does it matter? I was a curious as you are to the outcome. The math and paper work can’t define the sound. I don’t know what the “general” sound is until I hook them up, same as you. I have no ability to cheat that aspect of the result.

Sure, I know they are better on paper and that the cable does meet the paper’s math requirements. Still, the time domain evaluations show a sliver of space for the differences to be heard. Are our ears that good? It is easy to so, “no you can’t hear that”. Well, use the cable and physically put the task into practice.

We are doing our best to make designs that can also keep the economy of the products such that as wide an audience as possible can evaluate what the fuss is about. With a consistent design ETHOS, ICONOCLAST makes it a little easier to evaluate WHAT exactly was changed and does it do anything (copper or time based changes or both together).

People have asked, and asked, for this kind of “experiment” and I for one was one of them. We now have two different sets of variables to evaluate, copper and time based alterations, for any true change.

We sell the DATA. Everyone sees the exact same reported and measured (you get a test report with every assembly) “difference” at the design stage. Each will apply a different system and a different set of ears so we can’t use adjectives to properly describe those differences to you. And we don’t. Our web site is pretty devoid of descriptive prose on the sound but we demand that the hard calculations and measurements are properly provided.

Best,
Galen

That is a real virtue of your product presentation, Galen.
Many manufacturers or reviewers tend to go nuts with over-the-top hyperbole, which works for some people, but just switches me right off.

A great scientific explanation that I understand and also hear differences given the electronic and speaker distortions in my system must be allowing it. It is interesting that DSP takes it even farther.

In no scientific layman terms the micro details are less smeared or garbled. After listening to SPTPC the TPC seems a bit warmer than my normal paradigm. I heard that in series I copper tests. I do long to hear series Ii in SPTPC to see how copper further changes sound. Will it be better perhaps but right now. Series II TPC is better to my liking though a bit warmer in areas but still has enough up top to not be a detriment.

With my system…the conversations going on in the recording
are there…I can clearly make out what the band leader is
saying to start the “show”…the other conversations not so
much perhaps…

Whereas as I would really like to try Galen’s series II
STPC to compare with my 6’ run of Nordost Red Dawn…
For the moment the “coins” need to come forth…

Haven’t a clue as to the price of a pair of 6’ series II STPC
would be…

From what I gather here is that these should be a good step up.

Hopefully one day…can try a pair…

Best wishes

Exactly. It is hard to spend money without science explanation to back up why something is better. Or when it is made up theory with outlandish explanations. But Galen’s algebra would go past most folks and make eyes glaze over.

Be aware that the “perfect” wire is one atom wide (no skin depth and has as good a Vp differential as can be had). There is no room for dual layers of material!

The smaller a wire gets, the more even the current is distributed through the wire cross section at all frequencies, we get perfect current coherence. This means the outer material will have less and less an impact as the wire gets smaller and smaller.

For higher frequency attenuation silver is only useful when we go WAY up there, like GHz range where most of the signal is in the silver. Below GHz it is more a process aid for solderability (why I used it) and connector contact resistance (self cleaning RF connectors).

We will have 40 micro-inch (0.000040") on the series II, but the impact of the silver will be less as the current magnitude through the smaller wire will be closer to the same through the wire at all frequencies. And when I say different, I mean measured and calculated.

We’ll have to see how the two sereis II, TPC and SPTPC compare, but the better the design (smaller and smaller wire) the less we need silver on a technical analysis.

They are truly wonderful recordings. I have all four Naxos DSD releases (double rate) and they are captivating thru the DirectStream. Highly recommended.

Lars Erstrand - one of the best!

I read somewhere that Lars Erstrand studied under Lionel Hampton
on the vibes…

Best wishes

So Galen, will there be Series 3 signal cables available in unbalanced RCA and balanced XLR - if so, when? And in which metallurgical variants? Thanks!

No series III right now. The cost would push it past our market. The series II took a big bite out of the current capability and to most product lines it is a series III.

Best,
Galen

Hi John! We have not entered into discussion on yet another IC series. That doesn’t mean that Galen is not privately planning. The 1x4 and 4x4 designs in UPOCC have received only the highest of accolades of any cable anywhere “near” their price points. Galen had made it pretty clear that we will try to maintain a “high value” position.

We are faced with 2-conflicting camps today.

I occasionally receive a form of “hate mail” from self proclaimed audiophiles who listen to other nay sayers about anything more than 2-conductor, stranded, lamp cord. Some let me know that they always respected BJC for offering high quality cable assemblies at reasonable prices and that were built under the “good is good enough” philosophy. Many times they accuse BJC of joining the “Dark Side,” and that they will “never” do business with us again. To those I usually say, “I’m sorry but, see ya!”

And then we have those audiophiles who genuinely respect our approach to full disclosure science in cable design. This was the Belden way and was thoroughly engrained into our souls as Belden employees. Subjective claims were met with possible dismissal. If the data sheet was not sufficient then you moved on.

Many times these same audiophiles would like to have Galen with his obviously “sufficient” knowledge, to approach a potential “Holy Grail/No Holds Barred” cable design." Damn the torpedoes, all ahead full. I have no doubt that Galen not only could, but might even embrace the challenge to do this. It comes down to resources and return on investment. What evolution is ahead in signal transmission? Will it be analog or digital or both and will it be breakthroughs in copper, fiber or wireless? Thank goodness that I am not the scientist!

Are there speaker cables, IC’s and power cords that others think are “better” and Iconoclast? Of course! But, I have “yet to discover” anything priced anywhere close to Iconoclast products that do so.

At present we offer a “good-better-best solution” on most categories with BAV, Generation/Series 1 and Generation/Series II products. In application we believe each pushes the envelop in value especially when applying “diminishing returns” to the equation. The Series II IC’s and speaker cables are remarkable cables!! The capital commitment to develop and purchase inventory was by most standards significant. I hate to think of the number hours Galen invested into his research and design work from conception to patent. Of course to, there are probably many that think “it’s just a wire!” Ha!

I hope everyone knows how grateful we are for the reception, support and dialog we have with the community. Our customers are “fiercely” loyal and constitute our “entire” marketing department. We will continue to try to earn a reputation for delivering incredibly high quality assemblies that simply blow “most of” the competition out of the water. We will never be “inexpensive” but we will “always” be a great value and affordable to many audiophiles who many times tell us the improvements gained were at a major component level. Throw in a few “dedicated” and good looking techs, customer service and support members and you have a good place to do business.

As it is, “Never say Never!” For now, we have a full plate and our hands full.

Darrell, if you keep this up then we will have to put you on the payroll! Thank you very much for sharing some of the most detailed and accurate assessments available on the Series II speaker cables. Many find it hard to communicate the values. You have an extraordinary ability! So again, thank you!

Thanks Bob.
If I may make a suggestion: Some people are confused by calling both the spkr cables AND ICs “Series Two”, when the spkr cables have been upgraded to the new technology, but the ICs have not.
(Unless I missed something on the ICs)

I think speaker cables are Series II but IC cables are Gen 2.

Bob,

I tend to get exuberant when a change does something good and distinctly different. What speaks to me is the music. If you know your system well it is easy to describe the changes they hit you immediately as well as after when you think about what you just heard and like or dislike. .

I like to see what I can squeeze out of the components I have since I tend to not swap hardware often. What I have let’s me hear the slightest system changes good or bad . I will probably change equipment even less now given where the series II changed things. When you go to a ultra high end HiFi store and listen to numerous curated equipment lines and you keep asking is this all you got? And Is there anything better the progression in sound is often minuscule as it goes up 50 to 100k in price The really good put together systems you can hear a difference outside the room.

I prepared Dinner last night and decided to replay Jazz at the Pawnshop while sitting down in dining area with my spouse . My wife was getting drawn into what was playing in the background at below normal listening level. Asking me about the vibraphone and clarity of the crowd and the recording The Series II turned background music to a subject at Valentine’s Day Dinner and not by the audiophile.

My wife keeps telling me I need to do work in HiFi as a second career. The hobbyists arena will suffice for now But it would be nice to tinker on latest electronic gear and possibly release its potential. .

Until then the Iconoclast Series Ii cables should speak for themselves. Hopefully others will share what they hear.

Plus you have my number and know how to reach me when SPTPC series Ii is available. If the minuscule silver adds anything of importance beyond a soldering iron. I will let you know.