If you like it out of the box that’s good as it only gets better. I felt the same way. Are you listening to PCM or DSD and how did you set it up ? Meaning type of CPU if used or transport ?
For me I have a PC setup for audio with j river and a I Mac with aurdivana plus. Someone here said to try the Mac wow a nice improvement .
al
Duke of Earl said I use Tupper-ware style boxes. The big size. I fill them with beach sand and let the sand dry and settle. I have these boxes under each component. They create a huge improvement in SQ.This sounds like a great cheap tweak! How exactly do you work this? Is the box totally filled with sand, and the plastic top resting on the sand, then the equipment on the plastic top? Or do you leave an air space between the sand and box top? (I assume the equipment is not resting directly on the sand.)
Wet up? Not sure what you mean, Al.
Listening to Redbook, some HiRez downloads, upsampled to 192 via Pure Music
alrainbow said Has anyone considered the resonant freq of the devices them selves. As if they are in a room with large sound waves sympathetic vibrations still apply.Interesting point. For instance, I use tube dampers from Herbie's on my power amp. They are metal rings that contact the tubes with pads. The rings must have a resonant frequency, but a) the pads reduce or eliminate the transmission of that frequency back to the tubes and/or b) the effect of damping the glass (and thereby the innards of the tubes, I suppose) is more audible than whatever is added back from the dampers. A similar logic would apply to other tweaks--if the sound is improved that's what matters. Especially since I (and most people) have no way of measuring all this stuff.
The tubes I have done as well. And this makes perfect sense to me. But as long as we are spending our money I have posed this question many times to many companies and never get an answer. I have various vibration devices and the link posted here seems very cheap and should do the trick better than my money stacks hahahaha. They do make a difference though and I know I sound dumb at times but I am not it’s just this stuff is way over the top to me as an agnostic of sorts . My msb stack has them built in to each device , they did not answer me either lol. I can see this as a must for speakers and TT ,s. But with our amps or dacs not so much but of course I do have them anyway .
As hard as I try to make sense of this hobby I fail almost as much as my English classes . 
Al
alrainbow said The tubes I have done as well. And this makes perfect sense to me. But as long as we are spending our money I have posed this question many times to many companies and never get an answer. I have various vibration devices and the link posted here seems very cheap and should do the trick better than my money stacks hahahaha. They do make a difference though and I know I sound dumb at times but I am not it's just this stuff is way over the top to me as an agnostic of sorts . My msb stack has them built in to each device , they did not answer me either lol. I can see this as a must for speakers and TT ,s. But with our amps or dacs not so much but of course I do have them anyway .As hard as I try to make sense of this hobby I fail almost as much as my English classes .
Al
"FWIW Al, you never sound dumb. "
+1
perhaps slightly encrypted at times, but never dumb.
I enjoy your perspectives. They are refreshing and you obviously have listened to a lot of fine gear.
Thanks. How about misunderstood.
Al
magister saidDuke of Earl said I use Tupper-ware style boxes. The big size. I fill them with beach sand and let the sand dry and settle. I have these boxes under each component. They create a huge improvement in SQ.This sounds like a great cheap tweak! How exactly do you work this? Is the box totally filled with sand, and the plastic top resting on the sand, then the equipment on the plastic top? Or do you leave an air space between the sand and box top? (I assume the equipment is not resting directly on the sand.)
I buy the best quality boxes I can find, heavy duty Tupperware style boxes that are not made of rigid plastic that can break easily. I go down to the beach and collect some clean sand. I let it dry thoroughly then fill each box to the brim, tapping as I go along to make the contents more compact. I try to leave no air at the top. If there is further settling I refill. Sometimes the equipment is directly on top of the box. Sometimes I insert a butcher block on top of the box and then place the components on top of the block. I have experimented with this for years. Sand boxes consistently work wonders in my system.
Sand boxes are a classic DIY tweak for suspended turntables. Make sand box like DoE indicated, put a granite or maple slab on the sand and put the whole thing on a TT shelf. Fantastic.
Don’t forget to put the plastic cover on the box.
tony22, interesting that you have experience with this.
Didn’t we all play with a sand box at sometime in our lives ???
al
alrainbow said Thanks. How about misunderstood.Al
What about partly inflated inner tubes, half squash balls and good old Vibrapods? Anyone had success with any other cheap tweaks.
One Christmas, I got a set of Walker Valid Points. Rather massive weight, lead pucks to place on the chassis, rather attractive looking. I have no idea if they work, but they do look good under the heavy gear. Enough that I got a second set for the Triton.
Not really knowing what kind of effect they had (and not seeing how the design would reduce vibration much), I went with inexpensive Isopods on some other components.
Components were added and moved around. I set some gum erasers under the power supply, the Off Ramp, and the disk drive. Turned the system on. My wife said, “What did you do? That sounds good.”
So, gum erasers made an audible difference, but not the Valid Points? Hmmmm…
It’s wonderful when she can notice the result.
I’m probably going to pick up a set of the less expensive stillpoints, but currently running 4 herbies tenderfoot’s on the mk2 with the von schweikert’s special sticky dots on the speakers. Probably should buy new speakers first, but I’ve always been confused at how to make a determination of speaker quality without doing as much as you can for your source first. I only really lack bass in my current setup, so I’m not even sure when I’ll get around to changing speakers out…
blitzxgene said I'm probably going to pick up a set of the less expensive stillpoints, but currently running 4 herbies tenderfoot's on the mk2 with the von schweikert's special sticky dots on the speakers. Probably should buy new speakers first, but I've always been confused at how to make a determination of speaker quality without doing as much as you can for your source first. I only really lack bass in my current setup, so I'm not even sure when I'll get around to changing speakers out...I too have Herbie's dots between the top and bottom halves of my VS speakers (IV jr's, for those who know VS products). VS speakers are not known for being bass-shy, so I wonder if there are setup issues here or the speakers are just not a good match for your room. Your idea of addressing source concerns before speakers is, in general, a very valid one.
Duke of Earl saidIt's come up a few times in the forums for suspended tables on vinylengine.com. I tried it and it works great, but with my last equipment move my TT is now resting on a different platform - a slab of 3/8" granite on which are sorbothane circles, and on that a 1-1/2" thick high (not medium) density fiberboard. My TT is on that. It's all resting on the top of my rack; I just can't do a wall mount right now with the sand box like I had before.tony22, interesting that you have experience with this.
tony22 saidDuke of Earl saidtony22, interesting that you have experience with this.
It’s come up a few times in the forums for suspended tables on vinylengine.com. I tried it and it works great, but with my last equipment move my TT is now resting on a different platform - a slab of 3/8" granite on which are sorbothane circles, and on that a 1-1/2" thick high (not medium) density fiberboard. My TT is on that. It’s all resting on the top of my rack; I just can’t do a wall mount right now with the sand box like I had before.
But naw, my speakers are kind of awful all things considered. Only reason I haven’t really tried to move onto anything is the transparency and dynamics can be very good considering the inexpensive cost of the speaker. It images decently and responds to cable changes well enough to make judgments. Probably the worst thing about my setup is that literally everything plugged into or supporting my speakers costs more than my speakers. You could say i’m overdue for an upgrade.