DirectStream DAC General Discussion (was First Impressions)

alfa_lover said
Paul McGowan said Yes, we're all anxious to hear what this means. It should sound great right out of the box, even better as time goes along. Tell us how you have this connected and what you're hearing.

Allergra (for Allergies) (and 80 hours of burn-in?) have increased SQ.

I will now be comparing Dave Brubeck’s “Time Out” on 45 RPM Vinyl to CD on the DS.

This should be the ultimate comparison.

I also have a White Hot Super Stamper of Paul McCartney’s “Unplugged” and a CD copy (I am not sure if the quality of the CD is up to the comparison).

I use a Linn LP-12, A Hadcock GH242 arm and a SoundSmith VPI Zephyr phono cart (along with the excellent Vacuum State JLTI phono preamp), a Hercules II external power supply. This set up costs as much as a DS!

The last step will be to put back the PWD into my System to confirm that the DS SQ is a really big improvement.

I am looking forward to the magical 100 hours of burn-in (tonight at midnight)?

Peter


The sound between LP and CD with DS is very close. The CD’s are a still a very small bit brighter (a little bit forward with the highs a very little in your face), the LP’s seem to very very slightly longer note decay on the midrange and upper bass along with a slightly warmer upper bass.

Be careful of relying too much on my 57 year old ears, I have hearing damage (-60 to -80 db at 8.000 hz) and I always turning down the treble (when available such as in the car).

The CD’s do not any surface noise and you can quickly change tracks!!! (of course you knew this).

Peter

Told 'ya. laughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaughlaugh

I have my DSD one day, had it playing for about 4 hours ,I do hear some low end diff. the highs are cleaner sound stage deep & wide,but

what I do miss, that was on the MK11, is to be able to change from NATIVE to NATIVE X , it was like having 2 systems with NATIVE , I

would have a deep & wide sound stage,in NATIVE X the sound stage is not as deep with a up front defined sound, which is how the new DSD

sounds now with my system,but I’m still braking in my new speakers they are only 2 weeks old, SALK SS8"s great real music sound

Paul McGowan said Glad you liked it. The more you listen and play with the new DirectStream the more you'll appreciate just HOW much better it is. Keep playing CDs, discovering ones you haven't listened to in years. For me, this really was an eye opener.
Yes, that is what I am doing. I am simply amazed at the DS the more that I continue to listen to my music collection on it. My comparison is with my PWD MKII and Ayre SACD player.

Bob

nordicbob said
Paul McGowan said Glad you liked it. The more you listen and play with the new DirectStream the more you'll appreciate just HOW much better it is. Keep playing CDs, discovering ones you haven't listened to in years. For me, this really was an eye opener.
Yes, that is what I am doing. I am simply amazed at the DS the more that I continue to listen to my music collection on it. My comparison is with my PWD MKII and Ayre SACD player.

Bob

Finally late tonight I had a chance to spend some time with the DS after my gal went to bed about 11:30.

I am exhausted after a long day today, one that taxed my physical condition, so I will keep it short with more to comment on tomorrow.

Two words. Holy sh&$@!!!

i will say this though, if this sounds bright or forward you should review your system elsewhere for causes the DS may be revealing. Cables, isolation, etc.

this baby is warm like real instruments are in life (ah yes that description again). I have never heard anything digital anywhere at any price so lovely and involving. A sense of liveliness, dynamic shading and instrumental color only hinted at with the PWD MK II. It’s going to be a socks rotter and the cause of many familial arguments with your other half as housework and honey-do 's are left unfulfilled.

Picture a man with physical impairments diving into disc collections, as jewel cases go flying about whilst digging for those long forgotten treasures.

A note on break in I’ve used. I installed the DS about 6 PM yesterday and immediately started the break in process using a PAD ultimate system break in, demag and enhancer disc on repeat for 30 hrs alternating with the DS output on full and -20 dB settings. PAD states the disc is equivalent to a 10/1 hour ratio which means the DS should have 300 comparative music hrs on it. I am continuing break in with this for another 24 hrs before I’ll let it rest a while.

More to say after some sleep.

Damn, I am suddenly not tired now.

Thanks Odd!!! That’s great and glad to see everything’s settled in enough to get the true measure of DS. Thanks for posting.

oddeophile said A sense of liveliness, dynamic shading and instrumental color only hinted at with the PWD MK II.
This is precisely what I have been hoping for; improved microdynamics and richer timbre, my two most important measures of an excellent system.

It is great to start seeing specific observations as people become better acquainted with the DS.

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PETER

Thanks Odd, Bob, Travis and others for their comments. You guys are setting a very high bar. You’re making the wait for the FedEx guy awfully tough. Is it Tuesday yet?

I do not know which is worse; knowing it has been shipped and not arrived or not knowing when it will ship! cry

Those are both bad situations!

June was told me in an email for my upgrade in Boulder. So I have a month to go. But I’m very happy with my current sound and oddly calm about waiting.

Elk said
oddeophile said A sense of liveliness, dynamic shading and instrumental color only hinted at with the PWD MK II.

This is precisely what I have been hoping for; improved microdynamics and richer timbre, my two most important measures of an excellent system.

It is great to start seeing specific observations as people become better acquainted with the DS.


Elk,

I think you are going to find you’ll love the DS. I have struggled, like so many others, to truly describe this. Today, I thought about it for some time. I am thinking the best way to go about his is to go back to old school thought. Harry Pearson (HP), the venerable editor of TAS several about 3 decades ago had been struggling to describe what he was hearing between two different tube designs and solid state of the era.

HP described one tube unit of the era as having a “paper ships on paper sea” sonic texture. Another tube unit had body galore, rounded imaging and superb midrange. In describing these he came up with the idea of the sonic picture developed as a paint by numbers picture. The picture being the grand image in front of you produced by the system, presumably an orchestra, which HP used to describe the realism of a system. The tube unit producing the rounded imagery and beauty produced, as HP stated, more paint on the right numbers in the right places than any other tube unit he had heard to that date. Each paint color or shade being a representation of an individual instrumental tonal color, placement within that sonic picture and the depth from the listener, etc.

I would state the PWD MK II was more like the “paper ships on a paper sea” effect HP was attempting to describe, and the DS the unit that produced the paint-by-numbers imagery with more correct paint in the right places. The colors and shading of which completed the sonic palette more completely, and thus, more like a masters painting. To me, the DS does just that and is the best ideology I can come up with, thanks to HP, to describe it. The PWD MK II had images, albeit definitely not real, flattened as a paper ship floating on a sea of digital reproduction short of what could be allowed with the technology of the time.

I also firmly note a more solid and firm upper bass, lower midrange completing the picture than the PWD MK II, as well; much more, in fact. More like a superb tube unit vs. an older S/S unit of the 1980’s era.

One normally describes the image as a window between the artist and the listener. That window had been previously cleaned in the PWD MK II to very little dirt on the panes of glass we were listening through in that window. Ted’s design has, it largely appears to me, to have not further cleaned that glass. Its more as if someone just opened that window, allowing the realism of the artist to come through that window with nothing between them and us. An open breath of air to breathe in. The sweetness of the fresh color. Wonderful.

Lastly, it is clear to me as well, that in that sonic palette, as HP described it, SS of the era had a fog or grit, fine sand that filled the spaces between images, which the finest tube units did not elicit. The DS is just the same. I noted a very dramatic difference in that fine sandy grit between the spaces which is now gone, and I mean gone! This is allowing, like tubes, for the air, and presence to come forth.

All I can say is, I have an immense admiration for HP for what he brought to bear to attempt to describe what he heard. So many of his descriptions are still used today.

Further, without the immense vision of Ted, Gus, Paul and his staff for seeing what this is and can be, to so many we would not have the further joy of a very large step forward in digital reproduction. Had Ted not pursued his dream, had Gus not made the connection with Paul, and Paul’s vision to bring it to bring Ted on with his staff and bring this beauty to market, we’d not have such joy in our lives.

I just wish I had tubes in my system to enjoy this further. Tube owners are going to go nuts over this. I see this as not a benchmark. It is clearly a game changing giant killer that will play with the mega cost DAC’s out there running squarely with the pack, each providing something perhaps a bit different to a particular listener’s desires; the difference is, those with the vision to see the DS will have a whole lot more in their pocket in doing so.

My admiration and immense thanks to you all, Ted, Gus, Paul and team.

Odd

Thanks Odd. “[A] game changing giant killer…” Extremely high praise indeed. I can’t wait.

I am pretty confident. Interestingly I forgot to state my DS and entire system rests on Stillpoints Ultra 5 quad sets per component and speakers.

Incidentally, I should also state with regard to imaging the DS can correctly place image height or in the case of orchestra pits, below the floor level. I was pretty shocked at that one. One of my test discs is an old GoldenString choral release of a Japanese boys choir that has a harp in front but below the choir in the cathedral and microphone placement. The DS is a first in my systems over the years to get that well below the sonic plane. I had heard it to a degree on some tube systems. Unfortunately my tube amp is not able to be used due to current space limitations.

My cabling is entirely Shunyata. Audio cables are all Anaconda XLR ZiTron IC’s and spkr cables. AC cabling are all King Cobra CX. Digital connection is Anaconda ZiTron XLR.

I am calling the DS my “black magic woman”. She’s beguiling me.

So be it.

Thank you, Odd! Superb description. I understand precisely what you mean.

“The colors and shading of which completed the sonic palette more completely, and thus, more like a masters painting.”

  • An excellent analogy. It is not simply more transparent, but increased clarity coupled with greater texture.

Nummy!

Elk said Thank you, Odd! Superb description. I understand precisely what you mean.

“The colors and shading of which completed the sonic palette more completely, and thus, more like a masters painting.”

  • An excellent analogy. It is not simply more transparent, but increased clarity coupled with greater texture.

Nummy!


Exactly. I am not the best at expressing what I’m trying to convey.

odd, what do you use as an amp and do you go direct to amp or do you use a preamp? Are you using music files or a CD transport? If both can you describe any sonic difference.

oddeophile said I am pretty confident. Interestingly I forgot to state my DS and entire system rests on Stillpoints Ultra 5 quad sets per component and speakers.

Incidentally, I should also state with regard to imaging the DS can correctly place image height or in the case of orchestra pits, below the floor level. I was pretty shocked at that one. One of my test discs is an old GoldenString choral release of a Japanese boys choir that has a harp in front but below the choir in the cathedral and microphone placement. The DS is a first in my systems over the years to get that well below the sonic plane. I had heard it to a degree on some tube systems. Unfortunately my tube amp is not able to be used due to current space limitations.

My cabling is entirely Shunyata. Audio cables are all Anaconda XLR ZiTron IC’s and spkr cables. AC cabling are all King Cobra CX. Digital connection is Anaconda ZiTron XLR.

I am calling the DS my “black magic woman”. She’s beguiling me.

So be it.


have you put the SR 20 fuses in the DS yet, if so what diffenrce if any did you notice?

magicknow

fastlaneford said odd, what do you use as an amp and do you go direct to amp or do you use a preamp? Are you using music files or a CD transport? If both can you describe any sonic difference.
PWT solely. See DSD forum post I left shortly ago.

Preamp PCA2/HCPS and a completely modified GCA500. Everything has been replaced that can be including Rick Cullen’s hot rodded killer gain cells which he no longer does. This is a superbly clean class D amp. My personal reference amp is my Mesa Engineering Baron tube amp. Sadly it’s boxed up for now due to space limitations. The DS presents an all important midrange with the weight and solidity of tubes. I’ve been shocked at the imaging precision and purity. My PWD I had yo carefully position myself for image placement. Not do with the DS. Right from the start it images like crazy. Many have said about the off center imaging and I concur. I can move all about my listening position and the image is stable and pure as heck.

Odd, thanks for those greatly expressed impressions. I have an excellent tube amp in my system, as well as a tube preamp. I htink this may be a great step forward from the Mk II.