no this would be relevant… the chaps above are saying to isolate all main amps (amps to main and actives) from the subs.
however all of this seems like anecdotal bullshit as I have not heard one person say the have done A/B and heard a difference in SQ… They only comment with theory.
TBH without having done the A/B its hard to take these recommendations seriously.
Paul see my last post!
You have all the gear at HQ to A/B this man… why dont you take the time to do it and set the record straight.
in other words… get some actives. Elac Navis a great choice because they are all analog.
do the setup with DS SR to actives and sub.
do the setup with DSD SR + BHK to actives and sub.
do the sub passthrough method. do the splitting method and do the separates method you suggest via xlr and rca.
Lets us know what sounds best! and save your customers a ton of headaches listening to nonsense theory NOT practice.
The tone. The cheek!
Why don’t you order them from Audio Advisor and try it for yourself. Not for Paul or anyone else to do it for you.
BS
Why should this be my responsibility?
Paul is selling $$$ of gear annually and has a freaking lab. Do the tests. In fact with a definitive answer on this I am sure he will sell more preamps etc.
Are you listening Paul? No high level Q/A vid… lets see the tests and do A/B with admins and McDonald employees.
I am listening and I do not understand the anger.
There’s no tests possible as you describe because they would likely not help much. Imagine if we actually did an AB with admins and McDonald employees (which I assume you’re suggesting with tongue in cheek?). What would that tell us?
I can share with you that we’ve done a few sets of exactly what you’re referring to and got laughed out of town. I have long advocated that it’s easy for anyone to hear the differences in power cables and Power Plants. I filmed a couple of videos capturing the reaction of a few admins (as well as capturing the actual audio of the event). The difference between one power cord and another were obvious on the big system and they heard it as well you can detect a difference even on the video as recorded on an iPhone.
I posted it as a sort of “proof” and that’s when the howls started. First it was “fraud!” the tests were rigged. Next came “staged!” our methodology came into question and it was supposed that we staged the whole event to our favor. And then there were the folks that already know cables matter and they simply nodded their heads and said “see!” there’s proof.
There was no “proof”. Those that had already experienced the change didn’t need confirmation. Those that were convinced cables don’t matter simply pointed out what didn’t appeal to them about the so called proof.
And, as far as labs are concerned, we have showed the differences in ripple current on power supplies when a Power Plant was used, we’ve also showed how much noise is blocked by a well shielded power cable. Again, the same results. The believers felt vindicated, the doubters howled that “ripple shouldn’t matter” and that “noise doesn’t change the way things sound”.
Yes, I am listening. But trust me that I would have to agree with dakinsj. You should try it yourself because, at the end of the day, that’s all that matters.
In-room bass behaves like a bathtub with 4 inches of water and you move your hand lengthwise in the tub to make waves. As the waves hit the end they rebound and hit the next wave where they either cancel, double up, or cause some other form of interference. Adding a second sub in a different location helps to even out those peaks and dips. Adding a third or fourth sub evens them out more. Conversely placing the sub(s) in line with the main speakers just magnifies the peaks and dips. Where the peaks and dips occur varies by listening location and frequency.
Not angry😂
Just trying to get a straight answer.
Everyone has a solution including buying $2000 dongles
But cmon. I see no anecdotal evidence that these can bring an even 5% improvement in SQ
I am not an audiophile and have zero desire to ever be one… i am chasing SQ improvement that are meaningful so that I can then STOP and enjoy.
Not one of the answers in this thread speak to real listening a/b tests that comment on changes.
When I do a/b i grab a bunch of people and get their opinion including the gardener.
I’m certainly not goi g to take the guys word selling the $2k dongles at face value.
That pretty much makes you an audiophile 
. No one here has the goal of spending large amounts of money on meaningless upgrades.
nope… i believe because of Tidal hi rez and Qobuz and active speakers we are on the cusp of a hi-fi renaissance with a broder general audience that want and can achieve great SQ at a reasonable price without going down the rabbit hole.
these are not audiophiles as much as someone that buys a porsche 911 is not an F1 driver.
It depends on how you define the word “audiophile”. In Webster’s its defined as such:
au·dio·phile | \ ˈȯ-dē-ō-ˌfī(-ə)l
Definition of audiophile
“ a person who is enthusiastic about high-fidelity sound reproduction”
That’s a large tent covering a variety of economic and enthusiasm levels.
Hopefully Tidal and Quboz will usher in a broader interest in high fidelity. Thus far, most people don’t seem to care with low fi Spotify & Apple Music dominating the market, and Tidal always seemingly on the verge of collapse.
I postulate the battle for mainstream interest in good sound was lost long ago. I’ll be satisfied if Tidal and Quboz can simply survive.
the increase in broad music listening will lead to a greater % that want hi-fi music.
ONLY within the last 2 years are we seeing viable “all in one” hi fi systems that can interface to hifi streaming come into being.
kef ls50w was the 1st … in 2019 we are seeing more… this is a megatrend.
the winner will put together an entire full stack hifi platfrom… think qobuz + roon + hardware (mojopoly is a breakthrough headless design - better fully integrated dac/streamer options)
this game is just getting started.
I’d like to agree with you, but convenience and low cost seem to dominate in the mass market over sound quality. I own active speakers and subscribe to Tidal. If cost is a consideration can’t recommend JBL 305 Mk2 high enough (currently $109 each). I’ve heard the original 305’s, own the big brother 708P’s, and have heard the 305 Mk2 all at home. Add a cheaper/quality DAC/preamp like the $500 Topping DX7s to your computer with Tidal and you’d be done for under a grand.
Thanks, Ken. I am with you. $2K dongles are off putting. I would not have recommended them.
Tell you what I would do. You have the DS on the way and it sounds like you are going to output directly from the DS into the active speaker. I would simply purchase a decent Y connector and feed the subwoofer through its low level inputs and
the active speaker through the other. If you can go balanced I would do that.
You can then use the subwoofer’s level control and crossover adjustments to blend the subwoofer as seamlessly as possible.
That solution doesn’t require much more than a few bucks and will sound great.
Thanks. Will let you know what I do.
Nice monitors. I see they feature both AES3 and analogue XLR inputs, so the analogue output from your subs (from your DSJ) is digitized for internal DSP?
Yes.
Did find a professional USB to AES/EBU converter with volume control, but had no information on the JBL 708P’s internal DAC or the converter and the converter didn’t have a remote (I’m so lazy). But it would eliminate a D/A and A/D set of conversions.
Why would the information about the 708P’s internal DAC be required when looking for a digital converter?
Just out of interest.
This is likely to be very good (remote controllable volume too) but I’m scared to look up the price…
Well knowing what digital formats the internal would handle would be a good start.
