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Thank you very much for your clear explanations @brett66, and your kind offer to help. I have a few things keeping me busy at the moment, but I may give hqplayer a try in the future. No rush, though, because I am super happy without any upsampling. And about 50% of my listening is cds with the fabulous sounding PS Audio PST.

If I understood you correctly, I would just have to plug a laptop running hqplayer into my switch or router via Ethernet, the rest would stay the same: Lumin U1 and Nucleus + both connecter to switch, and Lumin U1 connected via USB to Holo May ?

I must admit I am a bit uncomfortable with the noise the laptop could introduce. I have worked hard to eliminate noise (linear power supplies for everything, vibration isolation, etc).

Also concerned about the ringing artifacts from upsampling, cf the article of Jeff Zhu mentioned above.

I did not see a link for the Audiophile Style DAC forum thread on the Holo Audio May posted yet, so here it is;

A lot of good information posted here for inquiring minds.

Ok so I just tried direct USB without the Matrix.

Before I continue, the Matrix is powered by a full Monty Farad, fed by a ChordMusic USB, and feeds a RAL (actually, at the moment it is an AQ Dragon 48 on loan that I am testing).

Without the Matrix, I experienced a much smaller soundstage, in width and depth. Less air, less sense of the recording space. It was brighter, more strained, with less flow, more veiled and somewhat muffled.

In summary, similar improvements to what I heard when I used the DS and added the Matrix.

The Matrix is definitely staying chez Phil.

Just goes to show that every system is different.

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If Lumin supported NAA, then yes it would stay the same but I don’t find NAA support on the list of protocols though they certainly could add it if they wished.

You’ll need either HQP or NAA device connected to the May.

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Thanks for looking into it @brett66, very kind of you :+1:.

I think I will have to pass on HQP then, because I am certainly not taking the awesome Lumin U1 out of my audio rack.

I can still try some upsampling in Roon, you never know, easy to do anyway.

Architecture changes are a bigger fish to fry for sure. The Lumin appears to be a very well designed and constructed unit.

Absolutely try Roon upsampling. I would just caution to not categorize all upsampling based on Roon’s implementation. It’s not bad but it’s certainly not state of the art.

A music server I purchased some years ago included HQPe so I’ve had a license to use for 4+ years now.

The sonic value of upsampling in my experience is dependent on the quality and rate of the source. I find upsampling an internet radio station @128k MP3 to gain the most by going to DSD256 and especially with EC modulators only available in HQP. Qobuz 192k Flac doesn’t realize as much improvement as it’s already so darn clean and noise free.

A long way of saying you’re not missing much if most of your listening is with CD-quality and better…

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Thank you very much for sharing your experience, I appreciate it.

Yes, nothing below cd quality. My library + Qobuz (I recently ditched Tidal and MQA).

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Hey Phil – exact same experience here. USB direct has been a disappointment for me with both the DS and the May. I2S has been dramatically better in both cases. In the May’s case USB is advertised as the preferred connection. The Matrix USB to I2S wipes the floor with the standalone USB input on the May. I hope Ted and PSA have a listen to this DAC before they release the DS 2. The Bar has been set with the May. The reviews are accurate. It’s absolutely outstanding\groundbreaking etc…

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As a long time HQPlayerE user, I would wholeheartedly disagree!

Phil,

Which version of the May?

Holo May KTE.

Like @cudfoo said, the reviews are spot on. It’s awesome, with or without HQ Player.

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I agree that CD-quality and above is further improved with HQP in the mix but it helps low bitrate SO much more, in my experience.

…and what HQP brings to the party pales in comparison to speakers, speaker position, room and room treatment, solid component choice, and even convolution in my experience. Perhaps not your experience and certainly not everyones experience.

Could I live without DSD256 and EC modulators, of course, do I want to…absolutely not.

Each person has to decide the value and trouble to rearchitect a perfectly functional system to incorporate HQP(e). For me, it does not make or break the system rather I realize those precious but diminishing returns for the very modest investment.

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Do you have/use a cd transport feeding the May KTE ??
If so, what make & model

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I found this to be an interesting video on DDCs.

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My argument is that HQPlayer does not help mp3 files any more than it helps CD files. Why? Because mp3 files are usually just CD files with more information missing. HQPlayer can’t add back what is not there. The HQPlayer filters help both mp3 and CD files in the same way. The percentage of improvement would be the same. The mp3 files I have I never listen to any more because the ones I care about have been replaced with better quality files usually from much better masterings.

Of course HQPlayer has less of an impact than speakers, components, etc. That doesn’t mean that the improvements made by HQP player are not significant or well worth the investment. I implement improvements wherever I can find and afford them…

By the very nature of upsampling, the addition of what is not there is an inevitable, unavoidable outcome.

Whether it’s bringing something back that was actually there in the original live session is the real question.

In my latest experiences, I can emphatically say it’s less about just the upsampling and quite a lot about holistic rendering technique. There is such a component chain that makes YouTube sound Hi-Res.

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Upsampling is about moving the reconstruction/anti-aliasing filter far above audible frequencies. Why? The filter can be more gentle and not affect the audible spectrum when it is well above the audio spectrum. It is not about adding data…at all.

HQplayer does not do “holistic rendering”.

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That’s right, though upsampling does more than just move the aliasing higher in frequency – it adds information that was not there.

I didn’t mean to suggest hqplayer is holistic–far from it–hence the reference to component chains.

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Yes, I use the wonderful PS Audio PST. Perfect pairing !

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I’m not familiar with the mkii. Who makes it and could you provide a link where I can learn more about it.