Initial impressions comparing the Venus II 12th to the PW Directstream MKII

These are my initial impressions comparing the Denafrips Venus II 12th Anniversary Edition to the PS Audio Perfectwave Directstream DAC MKII. I will refer to the Denafrips Venus II 12th Anniversary Edition as just the Venus II and the PS Audio Perfectwave Directstream DAC MKII as the PWMKII.

At the time of writing this, my PWMKII’s firmware version is 3.1.3. I include this detail because I believe some comparisons would change over time as PS Audio pushes the capabilities of the FPGA chips and architecture.

Please see the end for a complete list of my system.

Sound characteristics comparison TLDR:
The Venus II presents a very mid-forward, romanticized, full-bodied sound, while the PWMKII presents a very balanced, very high-resolution sound.

Both DAC manufacturers claim their sound leans slightly warm. But compared to each other, the Venus II doesn’t lean warm; it is warm. That doesn’t mean the PWMKII is cool, but I think PS Audio’s interpretation of “leans” differs from Denafrips. The Venus II is more like mid-July, while the PWMKII is more like early June.

This difference translates to very different pros and cons. For example, the presentation is more full-bodied and pleasurable with the Venus II in an early Sunday morning low-volume listening session with Miles Davis’s So What from the album Kind of Blue.

Conversely, the auditory presentation is much more pleasurable with the PWMKII when listening to Fleetwood Mac’s Dreams from the album Rumours. This completeness stands out in the high-resolution sparkle and shimmer of the cymbals on which the Venus II comes up short.

Both DACs soundstage really well; at times, the Venus II can go a bit larger, but it can come across as a bit of a novelty as it stretches to the point of romanticized or “hyperreal.” This hyperreal scale is especially noticeable when listening to Moses Sumney’s album Aromanticism.

Electronic music sounds impressive on both the Venus II and the PWMKII. The mid-forwardness of the Venus II can occasionally result in an odd-sounding presentation. This oddness is particularly noticeable on Nitzer Ebb’s album Showtime, where some of the sounds Nitzer Ebb used to build the texture of the music are way more forward than I believe the creators had ever intended, resulting in a presentation that is inconsistent with any other system I’ve ever heard the album on. Conversely, the dense soundscapes that the Venus II presents in Boards of Canada’s Aquarius from the album Music Has The Right To Children is nothing short of an enveloping listening experience, in a very good way. Ultimately, the PWMKII’s ultra-high resolution and balanced sound present complex electronic music consistently in perfect, highly focused 3-dimensional space.

Rock and Jazz depend on the mastering/recording. As I mentioned, the Venus II is really pleasant to listen to at low volumes, but the PWMKII presents a much more complete, high-resolution picture. So, if the album is well recorded and you listen at average or above volume, the PWMKII would be my preference all day.

Something I wasn’t expecting was the PWMKII’s ability to tame the overly saturated Meze Empyrean I. The sound is very thick when used with the Venus II, but with the PWMKII, the Empyreans have the sound characteristics of more expensive higher-end headphones while retaining enough of their signature ooomf.

I have two additional quibbles with the Venus II.
First, there are very audible timing errors when using my Cary Audio 306 as a transport with Redbook. Research suggests a buffer reaching capacity, which results in the glitchy sound. I tried every digital input/output in every upsampling configuration, but audible errors were consistently present. These errors only happened with the Cary Audio 306; there were no issues when connected to the Cambridge Audio CXC transport via coax or the Jays Audio CDT2-MK3 connected via coax or i2s. This compatibility issue was my primary reason for being open to replacing my Venus II with something else.
Second, every once in a while, the sound would drop in the octave for about half a second. This odd octave drop only happened about twice a month and wasn’t enough to factor into my replacement considerations.

Design & features
This section is going to be a bit more of a landslide. Compared to the Venus II, the PWMKII offers a very readable display that clearly indicates what signal is coming into the system and what input I’m on. But wait, there’s more. It doesn’t matter that I can easily see the input because the PWMKII can auto-switch inputs as I go back and forth between my streamer and disc player. On Venus II, input indication and signal are nearly impossible to understand at any reasonable distance.

I know the PWMKII also offers additional features related to galvanic isolation and grounding; however, there is zero hum or noise in the DAC’s “out-of-the-box” state, so I haven’t felt the need to try and fiddle with them.

Performing firmware updates on the PWMKII appears very straightforward, whereas Venus II is a multi-step process requiring a computer, and if you mess it up, your DAC is bricked.

A couple of final points.
The Venus II: I really enjoyed my time with the Venus II; it’s a great, enjoyable-sounding DAC at 3k. Burn-in is real if you’re considering getting a new Venus II. It took 200+ hours before it sounded anywhere near its $3078.00 asking price. The sound difference was night and day.

The PWMKII: I don’t know what PS Audio did for the USB implementation, but for the first time, I can no longer hear a difference between my streamer and my disc player. Both are magic to my ears.

Preamp: PS Audio BHK w/ NOS-12AU7 RCA Clear Top tubes
Streamer: Lumin U2 Mini (connected via Audioquest Carbon USB)
DAC: PS Audio Perfectwave Directstream DAC MKII (connected via Audioquest Water XLR)
DAC: Denafrips Venus II 12th Anniversary (connected via Audioquest Water XLR) no longer in my system
CD/SACD: Cary Audio 306 (connected via Audioquest Carbon Coax for Redbook & DH Labs Silver Sonic XLR for SACD)
Amp: Pass Labs XA 25
Speakers: Vivid Audio Kaya S12 (connected via DH Labs Q10-Signature)
Sub: KEF KC62
Headphones: Meze Empyrean I, HIFIMAN HE1000se
NUC Roon Server

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Dang. Ou ought to be doing this for a living!

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That is an excellent review in comparing the two DACs!

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I did a similar thing between the PSA DSSr. and the Denafrips Terminator 4 years ago. PSA “won” it for me.

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Nice review.

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I wish you had something a few steps up from the NUC.

What did you have in mind?

Grimm MU1. They should appear on the used market for around $8k. There are many people on this forum who have them. I had one and swapped it for an MU2. It has its own DAC and you don’t need that.

If OP were keeping the Venus I’d probably agree, but as another new MKII owner in the market for a music server, why would I want to pair the MU1 with a DS DAC? The more I read into the MU1 the less ‘ideal’ it seems to me. Unless you were referring to just using the MU1 as a pure server to go to another endpoint, bypassing the FPGA?

Can’t help you on this one. You appear to see things the opposite of how I see them. Which is fine, but with no common ground there is no response I can give you. The FPGA is the main attraction for all the MU1 owners I am aware of.

I would be very interested in which server you rely on though!

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If the price range of the MU1 is OK for you but it’s not for you I would look at the Lumin U2, Aurender N200, Innuos Pulsar or my favorite the Aries G2.2.

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Being a fan of Innuos in general, having a ZENith Mk 3 and ZEN Mk 3, I must admit that I found the stand alone streamers to fall short of the competition. You owe it to yourself to audition a Grimm MU1. I believe a lightly used one may be had for under $8k. Smokes the INNuos Pulsar.

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I will soon be looking for a new Streamer. The MU1 is on the list, but it does not do DSD IIRC. I have the MKII DAC. The MU2 is what I really want but 17k is a bit much for me to spend on streamer/DAC. Even if I sell the MKII its a big spend. Leaning towards a used Rose 130 right now.

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I was happy with Lumin U2’s. It has its own App for control, and it is Roon certified also. It has a fiber optic input, and if you use a switch that offers FO output (I use LHY SW-10) the SQ will be excellent.

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I can definitely endorse the RS130, especially when combined with the Optospan FO network transducers. The Lumin U2 is also a good streamer, I auditioned. However, the choice for either one is very much personal.

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$17K is a lot, but it is available for quite a bit less. PM me for details.

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Fair enough, thanks for responding though I appreciate it. My server/endpoint set up is pretty baisc, server/roon core was a Macbook Pro dedicated for Roon until it failed recently, then the endpoint is a Holo Red. I’ve tried a few different PCs/VMs/NUCs as servers and couldn’t hear much of a difference in any of them. The Red as the endpoint was very noticeably an improvement. I’m using my workstation PC as a temporary Roon server, its blazing fast although loud. I will likely pick up the M4 Mac Mini when it’s available. I could stand to improve my entire network setup, but will probably have to go up to Lumin U2/Aries G2.2/N200 level to make it worth the while.

@nespo I agree with your thoughts on the USB, it is excellent. I lifted the grounds on all the digital inputs, as well as shell ground but then re-grounded the shell for now. If you rename an input to “Streamer” you can use the Bridge button on the PS Remote and it will auto switch to whichever input you named as the Streamer. Neat! Have you tried running the MKII directly into your amp to assess if there’s audible noise from the output stage by any chance?

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@aangen Per your advice, I researched the Grimm, and wow, it looks like a real show-stopper. It’s really impressive, but it’s a bit more than I’m able to spend on a streamer, even at the aftermarket price. For the moment, I’m content with my Lumin, but once the newness of the MKII normalizes, I may revisit the topic.

@carbonF1 I have not tried bypassing the preamp, but I’m not sure I will. My tastes lean heavily towards having tubes present somewhere in the chain. Thanks for the remote tip!

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Thx @brian.fitterman

It seems that the new Venus 15th is comparable in performance to the old Terminator. The new Denafrips series seems to have increased by one step compared to the old series. Example: Pontus 15th corresponds to old Venus etc. etc