My audio hobby is no longer fun, but scares me

Hey one horse…

There are times I just move away from gear and music for a time and enjoy other things.

Then when I do get back to listening the wow factor comes back
big time and am amazed all over again with my system’s sound and playback qualities.

Now with silver in my hair, gold in my teeth and gas in my stomach
richer for these am not :smiley:

My retirement is supplemented with investments that have yield
very nice caps gains and dividend distributions.

To protect the principal, the unthinkable; liquidated my assets until
the dust settles.

Now with the tax war is not in my thinking the time to trade up or upgrade anything.

For me being content with such as I have is great gain.

Would I like to upgrade sure …still however being content with such as I have is great gain.

Each of us will have different approaches and priorities…

Best wishes

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I suspect the audio industry might be entering a tough period. Not the best timing for introducing a new high end product line. I think the overall consensus is that a lot of people will sit back and enjoy what they already have. Not necessarily a bad thing on the consumer side of things.

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How do you go from such hi end to mid tier? May i pry and ask for your story on this?

I just borrowed my brothers Revel Salon 2s till my speakers came in, today actually lol. Martin !ogan F200s 85lbs each, im a fan of the ribbon, anyway its a speaker that’s half the weight, less then half the cost… Im hoping i dont miss the Revels lol but i understand when music sounds good then the job is done!

If i had financial access to say Legacy speakers id probably pul the trigger. So back to my question, where did you find contentment? Satisfaction? How did you come to your choice…

Thanks for your time should you choose to respond :slightly_smiling_face:

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@SPOOKY.MANFREDDY

Probably more of a conversation than a post. But I think there is a predetermined assumption that high tier (or more expensive) somehow correlates with enjoyment. The more money the better the sound and the better someone may like it..

I found that even with Dag, Wilson DAW, Aqua etc the sound was wonderful but I did not really enjoy it any more than other systems. Every system has low and high points.

After even a 25k T+A amp this year (sold in two months) I have found a beauty of a system for not a ton of coin. All older stuff (except the streamer) and it does a great job. Not as much finesse at lower volumes but makes up for it with rock. Only thing close was the DAW system but at 5x the cost I’m pretty happy. I’m also lucky that what I’m after in hifi (as I get older) is more about a smile than a measurement. There are Great deals out there used……! I’m actually “stuck" here for now. It would take a ton of dough to beat this system from a fun on the couch perspective….

Also I look at priorities. The only thing I truly want to be involved with (besides music) is grandkids and dogs. Money well spent there on both….!

(Yes, those are Revels)

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Is that amp a 333, 334, 335 or 336?

Hard to tell huh? I started with a 333. Ended with this one, 335. The 333 showed me that this is what I was after. Killer Soundstage depth and the ability to play anything at any volume with zero strain, compression etc.

I had not heard that before. Recent speakers from Klipsch to Volti to DeVore had great strengths but wilted under pressure.

Give and takes…..Great fun and still does fine with Coltrane, low level acoustic etc.

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This picture is your current setup? Thats honestly a solid idea an approach. I was pulled to your post as im just trying to have a smile aswell. Before I settled on my equipment I tried higher end stuff but everything seems to feel dialed back, “ speakers “ and so you wanna turn up volume to get them singing but the speakers can’t cuz theyre designed for classical an jazz yet cost 13K to 20K I feel weird buying 7K speakers when everyone is on 20K stuff like im gonna miss out, maybe my hearing isn’t picky or im easy to please.

The brands that slam aren’t being sold around me. I need to drive a while to experience them. So I pulled trigger on my second Set of ML largest driver towers once again. I coulda bought something in the teens but I’ve always smiled and vibed with MLs… Those Revels you got I went nuts on them last weekend playing heavy rap to Celine dion to Miles Davis… the Revels i gotta say are wicked honest and confident. Music sounds accurate. I hope my MLs dont go night an day now lol

But keeping things realistic is key. Food for thought, thanks for sharing. Have a great weekend im sure will cross paths here again. :blush:

Sounds great. Lots of good folks on this forum. Good advice most everywhere.

Yes, that’s what I’m listening too right now. No plans to change as I listen to the speakers and amp and can’t imagine what $ it’s going to take to “beat" it and I also wonder “ beat it how?”

Tweaks are still fun though.

Last upgrade was a Sbooster for the Innuos. Seemed reasonable and it was well worth it…

Also went with Tara labs cables and Silnote interconnects. Tara does a great job getting the juice to the Revels. Silnote has a wonderful high end.

I highly suspect Gaia might be a good choice with the Revels but I worry about the tweet being well above my listening position. They are pretty high already……

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Had a long day yesterday and past out… atleast the speakers got a extra hour break in after I knocked out to Norah Jones album :sweat_smile:

Honestly I think you killed it. Thats a end game system you got… think we have the same taste and idea of music…

When someone says it sounds better or there’s more, I dont hear or see it. All I got is yea it sounds good but its not game changing. I think maybe people go deeper into soundstage and visual mental audible kinda thing and they chase that “ close your eyes and picture it “ system. Thats where you can drop money for days on end chasing the stage.

I’ve a tall never heard those cable brands before. All I know is the mainstream stuff.. AQ, Cardas, Transparent, Nordos… Im running full AQ linup… I had run some cheap cardas cross link speaker wire and im starting to rethink my cables honestly. Im running 3 hurricane power cables and rocket 88 speaker wires. Cardas clear xlr to m700s. Might part with the power cables and get some none snake oil 10awg power cables and even the cardas speaker cables. Sell it all off.

Your brands, what model you running for speaker wire. Be curious to Google it

Sometimes we do not realise we end up chasing more for nothing.

Think about what you have had over the years and assess what you liked and why.

If you are retiring and are looking for you last system I would strongly recommend to find some good audio dealers who will let you demo gear in the shop but more importantly in your home aslo as this is where you will be listening to your gear

Over the years, 30 years I learned to hold onto gear that I really like.

Audio memory is good but side by side comparison is better.

Forget blind testing.

If you have equipment to compare against for the foreseeable future you will know over time if something is different or better..

One example is I kept my laminator dac and meridian CD player. They have never been relegated to storage.

I have had many other dacs Denafrips even the Laiv Dac among others as well as other gear on loan or borrowed.

For me realism in every instrument and voice is first and foremost then detail second. The hifi terms we all know like dynamics separation timing etc are important also but knowing what want first should be your go to place when searching.

You do need to reach a point where you are fine tuning what you like.

Synergy and system matching are not the same thing but both are is so so important.

Room treatment is also a very big deal which includes speaker placement and speaker height in your room.

How loud you listen to your music is another important value.

I like to hear everything a low volumes as well as higher volumes which is difficult to get both right especially without having to make too many adjustments. At Low volumes I sit closer to the speakers but I still want to feel and hear the drums and the pluck notes of the bass guitar along with shimmering smooth highs if they are in the recording.

I aslo realise standard 16bits 44.1 khz is all you really need. Vinyl is also a good source to measure the quality of your digital equipment.

Finally extravagant cables above the average should be sort when you think you are at a point of keeping you system but do get rid of your cheaper good cables that you also like ( again referencing is key)

Note: always use music that you know well when changing or trying out new gear.

I love using Big things going down by Dan Patlansky. His voice and instruments have so much detail. The bass should be there deep and low at low level listening too with note to note distinction without getting in the way of everything else. It gets busy at about 5.25 sec and 8.20 sec this is where separation and dynamics should be controlled without grating your ears.

Good luck in your search

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I have been an Audiophile since 1974. I have bought more gear than most people could or would. I gave one of my very best systems to a friend. If I want to experience what it can do versus what my current system does it’s a 20 minute drive. That old system sounds amazing. But my current system is something else entirely.

I have a friend who has a 2.5 million dollar system. It is absolutely extraordinary. So much better than mine. The best part about it is for now I don’t wish to try and improve my system. I can just visit him and be in my ultimate happy place. When I get home I am still extremely pleased with the sound of my system. And the 1.7 million still in my pocket seems nice.

I could build a world-beater system for right around $250 K. But no need.

Whenever someone here says “high price doesn’t guarantee great sound” I recognize someone is trying to convince themselves for budget reasons. Nothing wrong with that. In my situation high price gear really gets the job done in a wonderful way.

Don’t knock it til you try it. If you can’t, hopefully you find an audio guru who leads you to excellent gear at lower prices.

I have a friend who has a $10K system I could be happy with. It’s nowhere near what my current system can do, but it’s very nice. Fortunately for him, he prefers his to mine. That’s the ideal situation.

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“Whenever someone here says “high price doesn’t guarantee great sound” I recognize someone is trying to convince themselves for budget reasons”

Total bs. You have no idea what that person is thinking.

Maybe folks who spend 100k on audio are trying to convince themselves of something too?

My end-of-world budget is $200k, but I am already over $150k into this stupid thing. Scary!

It is kind of sad because unless I triple my budget (every audiophile knows double is not enough to make a 5% difference), I will not have a chance to hear any meaningful improvement.

Wait, am I sad about my system? No! No! No! I am not a crazy person. A good glass of wine (or something stronger like whiskey) will take care of that thought.

I am done, again!

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I am fortunate to have reached that point.
It is unfortunate that it did cost a bit to finally reach that point, but the investment was necessary in order to reach a point where I am fully satisfied.
It took an expensive streamer/dac, 2 expensive (though used) preamps, a power amp (used), a power product, a good subwoofer, and good interconnect.
Others are trying to get me to spend even more, but I need to step away from the rabbit hole.

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Well put! I was going to write something similar to yours, but instead I wrote a blah blah that I am not sure I understand what I really meant.

The whiskey is really good though.:tumbler_glass:

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Great points, all…

Cheers.

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I enjoyed everyone’s take on this, as im building up to my standards and learning, 1 thing I’ve learned not to do is do what others are saying or doing, You must observe and do the math! Learn as much as you can and hopefully you get something from it. Everyone here is basically endorsing that idea with different wording.

Great suggestions go a long way. I like the part a out no blind buying…

Listen before you buy

Research Research Research

If discouraged take a week off of it!

And dont compare money or to others systems

My brother has 1.2kw mcintosh amps.. if i try to size up to that I wouldn’t enjoy the hobby. You have to buy accordingly to your budget, find your sound not others.

Every shop I go to pushes there brand until they sell the next brand with bigger profit margin then suddenly your products aren’t good anymore. This isn’t much what has already been said. But I like what yall said… cuz I have to follow it too as I finesse what I’ve got built and continue to grow :blush:

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Well said.

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