SR Black Box

  1. No I’m sure it won’t work on top of a subwoofer.
  2. I don’t think they will work under a ASC trap.
  3. I would not remove the spikes and I would use a coaster or something underneath the spikes to protect the hardwood floor.

You can try placement in the corner of the room. I’ve seen the black box placed right behind the listening position that works also. My black box is in between the speakers right where your problem zone is.

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Totally agree with you about all points above.

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This is the newer unit that uses carbon fiber for the case?

I have the older, not Carbon Fiber version. If I was offered a chance to swap what I have now for the carbon fiber version I would politely decline. I have zero interest in that material change. I don’t know what is inside the Black Box. But I cannot imagine how carbon fiber would improve it. I can’t.

Some people buy carbon fiber wall plates for there electrical outlets. That improves cash flow for the seller, but what does it do for the buyer?

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I didn’t realize it was a passive device that works by sympathetic resonance, so I would imagine the material the case is made of plays a part in how it tunes low frequencies.

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Do you know if Juan has the new carbon fiber black box? I know you have no interest but I’m curious what Juan thinks about it. Of course SR claims stiffer chassis and better resonance on the inside equals better performance.

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Please Paul, let’s save the last cents, the last days of the year are crucial for an annual budget already totally compromised!

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I have so little interest in the new design I have not asked. There are many questions I could ask Juan but that isn’t one I am likely to ask… As much as I love the Black Boxes, I am hopefully done with Syn Research. Hope Hope Hope.
Juan is a hard core fan/customer/dealer of Syn Research. He is going to say nice things no matter what.

For my near future snake oil I am following Luka and going to Schnerzinger Land.

Schitts expensive though. Each piece cost like 3 V1 Shunyata Sigma Power Cables.

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Can’t really say if this is good or bad news for us, mentor’s adepts!

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Wait you are not getting the “dots” for your wall? lol

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I did offer my dealer an opportunity to bring the Pleasure dots to my room and show me what they could do. I don’t recall getting an answer. I may have, but no Pleasure dots ever appeared. He did sell my Black Tower that did Nothing for me though!!!

Oh, I remember now. The Pleasure dots require a Tower. I couldn’t hear my Black tower or his Carbon Fiber Tower. He would switch the settings on either Tower and say “Are you certain you don’t hear that?”. “Hear what?”. He told me quite a few people lack the empathy (or whatever) required to hear what the tower does. He said it is not uncommon. He also decided that in my room the Tower was a negative, saying I don’t need it. I believe that means no Pleasure dots either.

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Paul172,
Thank you. I appreciate your direct responses. -JAS

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I wonder how the effects of the SR BB compare with the ASC SubTrap which is less than 1/2 the price. The innards seem to have some similarities. While the suggested placement differs, both deal with bass but also have effects further up the frequency range. Anybody have an idea?

Do you know what’s inside the Black Box? All I know is that if I shake mine, it vibrates, giving the impression it some how smooths bass with mechanical resonance. The ASC tube trap, uses rigid fiberglass and air volume to trap low frequencies and bounce high frequency ones. I have built several ASC clones. They act and perform differently.
The bottom line is it takes a lot of passive devices…traps, panels, diffusers, to smooth a room. The Black Box, being small and portable, does a nice job of lessening the ringing and revealing the music but it’s not a single cure.
I am in the process of redoing a room. The traps, diffusers and BB help, but my frequency sweeps still show a camels back.
My last try may be an active device like the PSI C214, that is claimed to rid the hump under 150 cycles. It’s only $4k and I may need two. Madness.
I’m not trying to favor any one or combination of solutions but the elephant in the room…is the room.

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Well said and so true. My old room had a suck out between 50-60hz. not treatments seemed to fix. I did not have enough space to move seats properly. new room I put “initial” sweet spot with room to move 1.5’ front or back if I have to. hopefully between that and treatments and bit of room correction I should kill the Camel.

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My impression of the PSI is that it does take 2. Its cost seems to be reasonable (even though for me it is a lot for 2 of them) because there are electronics and beautifully machined parts, and elegant design. The SR BB works, but unlike the PSI, seems have much cheaper materials, no electronics, and no exquisitely machined enclosure. I think it is way over-priced. But, as I said, the BB works.

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A new star may appear in the sky to combat problems in space. I think Al will incorporate it into his changes. Enough betrayal. :joy:

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Just out of curiosity: anyone noticed a sort of subtle “vibration” sound when stop playing? Could be my dead room that doesn’t forgive anything but I’m pretty sure that once a song ends, in my total silent environment, I can hear for about 20-30 seconds something vibrating almost imperceptible until it vanishes completely.

Could it be the BB?

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I have not noticed that tail end resonance but my room has a sound all its own :frowning:. Maybe Al can enlist his rabbits to take a listen.

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Rabbits are not easily enlisted; you must pay in expensive cable. :smile:

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