Yale Beta Test

Ted Smith said The .9999 file isn't used in the upgrade process.

The rescue file that Johno mentions is the rescue file I was trying to talk about. I didn’t know it was available there, thanks Johno


Just tried the rescue files - no remedy.

The front light is immediatly lit during power restore and there are no attempts to load the rescué files from the SD card

With my advancing years comes a smidgen of insomnia so anticipating this release I was up a little after 3am this morning wiping the PP SD card and putting the Devialet away and readying the old system with DS and dual monos back online and letting things warm up the rest of the day. Missed the exact release minute by 10 but was up & running Yale 10 after that. No massive impressions just yet but absolutely cleaner, more detailed, articulate & resolved with a dramatic increase in minute detail. Small triangles which I usually struggle hearing at all are a treat as are drum brushes and cymbal shimmer. Again hearing things that were lost, buried or otherwise subtly muted or distant before. Bass while it hasn’t taken a hit in my system in any way seems the least enhanced. Not bad in any way… just mildest of the three. Mids are robust, depthful and rich, exceedingly well focused, balanced and better controlled. Highs are sparkling, enchanting and highly engaging… seriously there when needed and playfully frivolous and deft on orchestral flights of fancy, ie; Fantasia and Also Sprach Zarathustra. I’m not going to go any further out on this limb till I have more hours in front of the speakers. Next up; vocals, classical guitar, piano and some smooth jazz. Promises to be a great evening… music, beer and homemade Coney’s. Man’s gotta know how to live!

Ted Smith said The .9999 file isn't used in the upgrade process.
Good to know that the .9999 file is not used.

The Pikes Peak LOADER.CFG file starts with

ID = DSDDPike

Version = Pike

The Yale LOADER.CFG file starts with

ID = DSDD0125

Version = 0125

I assume the Yale has 0125 instead of Yale because the is not the official release version.

Frode said
Ted Smith said The .9999 file isn't used in the upgrade process.

The rescue file that Johno mentions is the rescue file I was trying to talk about. I didn’t know it was available there, thanks Johno

Just tried the rescue files - no remedy.

The front light is immediatly lit during power restore and there are no attempts to load the rescué files from the SD card

Update;

Managed to rescue it.

What I had to do was to remove all cables and try again. I have a weird ground problem on the DS I have reported before with a flashing screen when power cable is removed. If I remove the HDMI cable on the I2s input, the problem vanish. The DS is powered from the P10.

Frode said
Frode said
Ted Smith said The .9999 file isn't used in the upgrade process.

The rescue file that Johno mentions is the rescue file I was trying to talk about. I didn’t know it was available there, thanks Johno

Just tried the rescue files - no remedy.

The front light is immediatly lit during power restore and there are no attempts to load the rescué files from the SD card

Update;

Managed to rescue it.

What I had to do was to remove all cables and try again. I have a weird ground problem on the DS I have reported before with a flashing screen when power cable is removed. If I remove the HDMI cable on the I2s input, the problem vanish. The DS is powered from the P10.


Frode.

I am glad you rescued it

Dennis

excellent news Frode

Yale loaded - what a relief! 101_gif

I noted a few other things I found odd;

  1. I tried to write protect the SD card as one of my boot tests. What happened was that the DS front light flashed once and then went dead - rather unorthodox behavior…(?)

  2. I had a problem to soft-eject the SD card from my PC. I had to force-close some files. I wonder if the MD5# would return successfully (I will be paying attention to this issue).

Some things that are beginning to stand out, but are source material dependent.

More slam or punch to the music, vocals have more projection.

Some instruments appear to now occupy their own 3D space within the sound stage.

The sound stage is set back a little bit farther, but the music and vocals extend further out into the listening space.

Cymbals have been negatively affected, they sound flat and lifeless, the beautiful layering of the tones has disappeared.

On some source material, soft cymbal work has almost vanished.

Need to take a break, will mute the DS and run a play list through the night.

Listening to PCM source material from the BDP1 via a Pangea AG USB with amber regen.

I think it would be helpful to post if it’s pcm or dsd please .

Yale loaded without issue and is working properly.

On my system, the sound quality is improved. For this evaluation, I’m running the DS directly into my power amp, a BEL 1001-IV, and my speakers are Magnepan 3.6R + a Rel sub.

What I hear is noticeably improved clarity. Most of this is the result of more energy and detail in the upper treble. But the midrange is beautiful and there little or no downside to this. For example, there is little to no increase in vocal sibilance. Overall, I think that this treble clarity and detail was needed. Once my DS was fully broken-in (way past 500 hours), I thought PP could be a little too mellow or soft in the treble at times. I understand that on some systems and some (many) recordings this softening could be welcomed, but using my most natural recordings (and ones I made myself with good mikes), I think Yale is more accurate.

I think that there is less smearing in the time domain or what could be called less “ringing.” For example, on a recording where two claves, or wooden sticks, are hit together loudly, Yale sounds cleaner, with fewer transient artifacts.

So far, I haven’t heard much (or any) obvious change to the soundstage, such as moving it backward or adding more front-to-back depth, but I have more recordings to listen to in this regard.

This is my first post, and I would like to close with sincere thanks to Paul, Ted and the PS Audio team. These updates add tremendous value to the DS. There are some enthusiasts who would be happy buying a completely new component for the small, but noticeable improvement that Yale offers for FREE!

Good work,

Focal_Point

Welcome!

Dennis Kerrisk said Can people let me know how the USB works in this release? It has been completely upgraded along with everything else. If you have issues please let me (dennis@psaudio.com) know , either on the forums or directly.

Dennis


Hi Dennis,

Great work form PS Audio especially to Ted.

I think there maybe a small issue with USB. I down loaded Yale OS and installed it in the DAC. The server did not recognise the DAC. In my setup my server has either power or no power out USB ports. Until now I have used the no power out from the server and everything worked fine.

I changed to power out and the server recognised the DAC and life was wonderful. I tried the no power or power combinations a few times and no power out does not work for me. I previously used the no power out because the server manual said that it should be better I assumed that it would be better as it was one less thing to potentially add interference. Could I hear the difference I cannot say absolutely? May be it was only placebo. As Elk has said if it is only placebo and it is perceived to be better then it is better.

Now the matter of no power or power over the USB is not a big deal to me. It might be to some people. Yale is working over USB with power and it is a definite overall improvement in SQ for me in my system with the amount of detail and clean sound that results. It will take a short time for me to adjust to the new sound.

John

Dennis, could you provide any insight into the nature of the improvements to the USB interface? Are they related to sound quality or to signal handling or to server compatibility or… something else?

Downloaded and run without issue. I had a quick listen. The very first thing I noticed was a, sort of, vagueness. The only SACD player I have owned (Marantz KI sig) exhibited this but also had a closed in, uninvolving sound. I hated that machine and got rid of it for the PWD1-2 & DS.

This is not a complaint, rather an observation because all I need to do with the DS is up the volume a little. This is where the DS comes good with detail, presence, huge soundstage & all the other big words audiophiles like to use.

I will be up early tomorrow morning for a good listen.

Still find it hard to believe that its possible to change the sound so much with a firmware update.

PSA: keep up the good work and continue to stay one up on the competition!103_gif

assisi said
Dennis Kerrisk said Can people let me know how the USB works in this release? It has been completely upgraded along with everything else. If you have issues please let me (dennis@psaudio.com) know , either on the forums or directly.

Dennis

Hi Dennis,

Great work form PS Audio especially to Ted.

I think there maybe a small issue with USB. I down loaded Yale OS and installed it in the DAC. The server did not recognise the DAC. In my setup my server has either power or no power out USB ports. Until now I have used the no power out from the server and everything worked fine.

I changed to power out and the server recognised the DAC and life was wonderful. I tried the no power or power combinations a few times and no power out does not work for me. I previously used the no power out because the server manual said that it should be better I assumed that it would be better as it was one less thing to potentially add interference. Could I hear the difference I cannot say absolutely? May be it was only placebo. As Elk has said if it is only placebo and it is perceived to be better then it is better.

Now the matter of no power or power over the USB is not a big deal to me. It might be to some people. Yale is working over USB with power and it is a definite overall improvement in SQ for me in my system with the amount of detail and clean sound that results. It will take a short time for me to adjust to the new sound.

John


Hi.

I’m having the same "issue"with my SoTm usb 3 card,when i cut the 5 volts from the card it’s a no go.

Kindly/Ingemar

I’ve been super busy all day - trying to reclaim and adjust the house now that I’m a bachelor again (ugh!) - I’m only just in the past hour getting back to the forums and grab the files. I’m going to keep this short as I’m tired, crabby, and my allergy meds are kicking in, so I’m crashing fast.

Right off the bat - DAMN!

Here is a screen cap of the first half of my demo tunes.

Right off the bat, the micro-detail improvement is amazing. The first Timpany hit in Fanfare has more detail - you can here that wiggle of the skin, including the phase shift it goes through as different portions of the head.

Also, the sound leaps from the speakers - it’s much wider of a soundstage than I’ve ever heard here. I’m missing my phantom center channel - which could simply be that the speakers or seating position were bumped - plus I’m sitting in a different chair than normal. And yes, I can hear the difference a chair makes in my listening, all things being equal.

I don’t feel (feel is the best term) that really high frequency bloglin in PP that was driving me nuts, and I think causing me some listening fatigue. I loved PP except that one thing. I think (whatever it was) crept lower into the muisc and was adding some sibilance in some vocals at higher (recorded) volume.

This is so much more involving. I’m only 15-16 tracks in on my demo tunes, and just transfixed. This detail is amazing without being harsh. the pick attacks on Keith Don’t Know sound like they have meat to them. The vocals in Alt-J Interlude 1 has more harmonic content that just adds so much to the track. The micro detail is making the reverb in the recordings stand out more, and I feel like I’ve got 180 degree surround sound vs all the sound being between the speakers in PP.

This micro detail is making drum toms sound so much more realistic - I can hear the heads wobble, and the attack feels faster without being edgy. I have so much to say, but I’m drifting fast, it’s 1:30am.

this is such a wonderful update - I’m going to enjoy every ounce of this!

I’ll spend more listening to tracks I know well over the holiday weekend and writer about them later if it’s still needed?. So much good going on here, and none of the obvious setbacks I’ve heard previously.

very exciting, thanks for keeping perfecting your already released product

I wish more brands would behave like this!

Finally got a chance to listen to Yale. This is some serious voodoo.

The way I heard it, Pike’s Peak was all about detail. I welcomed it as a major improvement over 1.2.1 but felt it left things a little thin. Now Yale equals or betters the previous version’s detail and adds a massive dose of physical realism. Solid things sound solid, acoustic spaces sound open and encompassing. It’s just so much more believable, at least to my ears and my brain.

Loving it. Thank you so much, Ted and co.

Already 2 hours listening to new Yale OS. Bugs are not noticed. The increase in sound fantastic. Very high realism, a little scary.

I'm Happy at 5000%. Did not expect such a strong raise.

The OS should not be called Yale, call it "The Absolute Platinum Reference" - TAPR. 2guns_gif

Over 15 hours non - stop playing on repeat and Yale is really singing…WOW.!