Cable fight! Oh, I love it. Really, most topline cables are great, and if you have more than one in the system usually that would be your preference. I cannot say one is better, but to one’s liking is a better word to use.
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The HiFi rabbit hole is deep and scary… then it falls into a different perspective when you get chatting to someone who collects Porsches. And so it goes on….
I’m happy with my current trajectory and more modest upgrades! Counting my blessings 
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Depending on your taste, it works well. There is no good or bad between some cables, just differences. And depending on the music genre, the assessment can be different.
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It seems fine with a Stealth Audio Cloude Grande AG. Which costs nearly the same as the MU2.
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Al, now you remind me again of the Stealth Audio Cloude Grand AG. 
Maybe I don’t need a different preamplifier at all, just a different cable. 
I had to restrain myself from not buying the Cloude Grand AG offered. I also sent Luca the ad; Apparently he didn’t want to either. Maybe because it was a used one? The price was attractive. 
But I think instead of my Cambridge Edge NQ, something like a Grimm MU2, Marantz Link 10n or Moon 791 will get me a bit further. Even if it has to be content with an Audioquest Dragon Source or Furutech DPS 4.1 for now. I’m just a little unsure which device it should be. Greetings Andreas
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I will take MU2 over any cable at the same price, or more, for sure. Although I am a serious cable believer, the best cable is still far behind the best gear on SQ impact.
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I just checked the audio market: the Cloud Grande AG is sold out. Currently only a Cloud Grande copper cable is offered. Would that be better than an Audioquest Dragon Source? Well, Luca traded it. Should I swap now too? Since it’s a dealer that deals in cables, perhaps one option would be to trade the Cloud Grande for my leftover cables. 
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I still shake my head knowing what a P20 does with power from the wall and STILL a power cord makes a difference for it. Bah!
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Quick question about the Cloud Grande copper. I’m thinking about swapping it for my Audioquest Dragon Source preamp. Would the Cloud Grande also be possible as a cable between the wall and the power strip? I would be flexible. What sound can I expect from the Cloud Grande? Luca seems to be on vacation. Has he also written a review of the Cloud Grande here somewhere?
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Luca had some great reviews on Stealth CG long ago, but I do not remember where.
I do not bother to read Dave’s discussion. But one strange aspect of his PSR PC is that the cord needs a ridiculous time of break in and settling time (Dave warned me about this). When I first tried his demo PSR 11 and 14, I did not say this before, but they were the worst sounding cords that I had ever heard. They did not sound good for the first three days, and it was not until the fourth day that they started opening up. These demos had million hours on them already.
My new PSR11 did not sound good until one month later, but it continued to improve for the next three to four more months. So, I do not know how to make a fair comparison with other PCs. I mean, when I removed it for more than a day it would need another day to settle. If you do a quick in-and-out to compare it to another cord, it will lose every time; even to a $100 cord.
I hope Dave can come up with a more user-friendly version of it.
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I use to buy STEALTH cables only from the official dealer or I would consider really trusted and well known members out there.
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Andreas, I tried the CG Cu to feed my anp, I prefer the Dream 20-20 in this case. More textured sound, richer bass and more meat on the boe even if always neutral like all STEALTH cables. More lifelike.
To feed the Puritan or PZ I use the Dream 20-20 as well (never tried a CG in comparison due to C19 plug required).
In my system the CG Cu excels with: MSB DAC + Digital Director and Innuos server/streamer.
I’d use it with a MU2 or Ethos for sure.
On the other hand for PST and PSUs (switch and router) I prefer the Dream V18 DIGITAL (not UNI). I know Al will disagrees.
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You know the difference between your Dragon Source and Cloud Grande best. I had just looked and a Cloud Grande copper cable was being offered by a dealer who deals in cables. Hence the idea of possibly replacing it with a few cables that I’m not currently using. But before I swap the cables, I think swapping the Cambridge Edge NQ for a Marantz link 10n, Grimm MU2 or Moon 791 will bring me more value. My dealer friend could get me the Marantz. He doesn’t drive away Grimm and Moon. He wanted to make me an offer because Marantz still has a trade-in offer until the end of the year. I could perhaps get something extra for my Cambridge Edge NQ. Maybe I can also exchange two power cables and not have to pay so much. The Marantz link 10n would also be around €6000 cheaper than the other two and perhaps not far from the Grimm MU2 and Moon 791 in terms of sound. Unfortunately, Quboz is not yet integrated. That should probably only follow in the spring. The weight and size of the Marantz may require a different rack. I didn’t really want to rush anything. I just read today about the trade-in offer that Marantz is offering at the moment.
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1 before other power cords, go for the server/streamer/DAC for sure
2.before any decision give them a try, sound quality must drive you not a dealer offer or discount or trade in opportunity
IMHO
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Al does not disagree.
Al likes the V18 power cables a lot. He used a V16 with his P20. @paul172 is now using the very same V16 to power his PowerZone.
I think the V18 power cables are good to go for any use. The 2020 for Amplifiers and the PZ. The only thing I would choose the Cloude Grande line for is sources and if you have cash to burn, DACs.
I believe my Cloude Grande AG is overkill for my MU2. But it can and will stay put there. I have a spare V18 that I can use to swap out the CG AG but I am not in the mood to do that today.
I do not believe upgrade fuses help the MU2 in any way. The M2 fuse I bought for mine can stay.
When in doubt, try a V18 first.
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Someone’s whose ears I trust thinks there is a significant enough of a difference to be significant. If possible, audition before making a decision
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You mean Qobuz Connect which should globally start Q1/2025
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Considering how much money I lost in resale of all the cables along my journey, the FrontRows were quite inexpensive.
And with every FR cable type, IC, power, speaker, the characteristic that was clearly obvious was something I never thought of: speed. I’m still fascinated by the effect that was unexpected and very easy to hear.
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I was referring to a (theoretical) difference between V18 UNI and V18 Digital, that I’m sure to hear and was thinking you don’t. If memory serves me well, of course.
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Ah, thanks for the comment on the speed of the front row cables. That’s a good point. Schnerzinger cables are also said to drag less than many other cables thanks to their atomic bonding process. Schnerzinger gave me such an argument. Music sounds more real when the signal can flow more freely. I also noticed this more unrestrained joy of playing in my Furutech project V1. Some cables or components only give the impression of dynamics and the jumps between quiet and loud are there, but there is a lack of intermediate steps and some things are masked or skipped. Greetings Andreas