Belden ICONOCLAST Interconnects and Speaker Cabling

Happy New Year to everyone! I am just now recovering from the holidays. I got on an eggnog & rum kick (more rum than eggnog) for about a week and stayed in a fog… Wow does that stuff taste good and because it is so sweet you forget what you are doing to yourself until it is too late. I will not get on a scale for a few weeks… Funny too, just how much better my system sounded for the holidays. I never danced better or so I think.

One of the favorite parts of my job is the many friends and customers that I get to speak to personally on the phone. Of the hundreds I have spoken with, so many are now considered friends. Other favorites include the team of professionals that I work with that produce the Iconoclast assemblies and of course representing the incredible cable products that Galen designed for the audiophile community. (Ha, he originally designed them for himself, but we won’t talk about that.)

Conversations most times allow me to explore what components and speakers are in the customers system and usually what speaker cables and interconnects that they have been using. I like to know these things since that in addition to any predetermined cables the customer wants to talk about or to order for audition, it helps me to make educated suggestions on what else that they might consider. It has become quite obvious over the years what “usually” ends up staying with the customer and what I might expect to be returned. And though never 100% accurate I have developed a pretty good track record of accuracy in helping to be a guide. As so many of you know, I always recommend where possible that the customer let me send at least 2-copper variants of any cable type always reminding that the only difference will be the copper variant, not the cable design or other materials used. After all, the only cost associated with trying an additional copper variant is the approximately $12-14 to return a pair of cables. Sure beats looking over your shoulder wondering if you had made the right decision on what if anything to purchase for your system.

Discussions too, sometimes avert the premature return of cables before the cables, and the customers ears/brain have time to break in. It’s amazing how many folks will have an initial opinion on a cable after 2-5-days only to do a complete turn around a short time later. Many times I will get a “thank you” for simply asking that they spend a little more time with a particular variant.

DECEMBER 13

"Good Morning Bob,

After many hours of auditioning the SPTPC Speaker Cables over the past several days, I find that these are very exceptional sounding cables. Unfortunately, they simply do not have the sonic presentation that I am looking for in my particular system. Allow me to explain."

My customer then provided a very well written and detailed narrative of what at the time he considered both the good and the not so good qualities of our SPTPC cables. He then also requested the opportunity to try the OFE copper variant. I had them shipped immediately. I also called the customer and after a short discussion he agreed to hang on the to SPTPC for a bit longer while his OFE’s were being prepared and in transit.

Here was the follow up email I received just after Christmas. This is the most recent of a very long list of similar experiences with customers world wide.

DECEMBER 27

"Bob,

I hope you had a very Merry Christmas!

After an extended time auditioning these two Iconoclast cable variations, I, without any reservations, prefer the SPTPC cables to the OFE cables in my system.

In comparison, the OFE cables only serve to reveal how extraordinary the SPTPC cables are! The SPTPC cables have such a remarkable soundstage, layering, and air to them that I cannot imagine any other cables sounding better. I feel that I am hearing the superb qualities of the ribbon tweeters in my Maggies for the first time. Simply amazing!"

So, what does this prove? Only that each of us has a different budget, ears, rooms, speakers, cables and components that make up a playback system that is in most cases unique to ourselves. And, we have our own perceptions and preferences since the majority of audiophiles have limited exposure to live music. And, even with live music is it an intimate jazz club, an orchestra, vocalist or rock concert venue?

Without question, the copper structure of each variant provides a different presentation. I have my own opinions on each and my perception and opinion is not the same between speaker cables and interconnects. Am I right about my perceptions and opinions, I sure am for me, my system and my room. Do I think that the SPTPC speaker cables are bright? Absolutely not. They are the most incredible speaker cables I have ever listened to and they are not for sale at any price! Most Iconoclast customers are fiercely loyal.

Adjectives and there are so many in the audiophile world that are used to describe what we hear largely seem to apply to cables, components and speakers. And yet I’m not sure if I ever heard a sibilant DAC or preamp. So we sometimes need to be careful what adjectives we apply to what link in the chain.

I’ve learned to truly respect some of the many lifetime audiophiles I have met over the years and love to hear about their quest for the perfect playback system. And even with decades of listing experience and countless hours of comparisons in the chain, I still see and hear significant divergent opinions. I have learned never to argue but rather listen, evaluate, further investigate where I feel justified and formulate concurrence or disagreement. Even with that, I still believe something that I learned long ago that really applies to most everything. “Whether you think you can or you think you can’t, you’re right.”

So happy to see the Iconoclast thread come alive after a short dormancy and it’s also great to see posts from so many friends and customers. Thank you all!

Before I forget… The response to our special pricing for previously auditioned cables has been off the charts! Of the 60+ pairs of cables that were available more than 1/2 are now in new homes. I still have cables that represent a great value for anyone still on the fence and that might still have a few dollars left from the holidays (yeah right!)

Again, Happy New Year and all the very best for 2020. For some strange reason, I believe 2020 might be one for the history books…

Bob

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yeah - digital still clearly has a ways to go to approach analog.

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@rower30 and Tony22:
Galen thanks for sharing a summary of your HW sources. Some pretty fine equiment there I must say.

Regarding software I utilize to evalutae new components in my system my preferemce has been vinyl. I like the sound in my system. The system I am currently working with is intended to be a digital system with vinyl as a secondary consideration.

I agree whole heartedly with your selection of source material for evaluating component changes. It is a method I also utilize. I select music, in this case CDs for this particular system, that I prefer to listen to on a regular basis and toss in a sonic warhorse or two to challenge the system’s capabilities. I also tend to slect several items that may be sonically limited. I have a strong preference for acoustic music. Moyt of my listening is to jazz, followed by classical and ambient. I’ll throw in a Rock and Roller here and there. Typically I start with piano pieces and vocal pieces. Then I transition to jazz combos, typically quartet or quintet. I do agree that the music needs to convey the bite of a trumpet or alto sax while still maintaining the warmth of a flugelhorn. Drums need to have both the subtlety and the impact the drummer intended. The acoustic double bass needs to be articulate and well integrated, not bloated or boomy. Any acceptable component change needs to convey the dynamics of a jazz quintet with no emphasis on any one aspect. Overall the system needs to provide the gestalt of the performance with no audio tricks or hyped sound. In that regard I am willing to trade some edge definition for the ability of the components to convey the emotional aspect of the performance.

Soundstage width, depth and image placement is nice to have as long as it is not over done. Some recordings do this well and others not so much.

My music listening time includes 25% of live music.

I’d like to share some CDs I use to evaluate a component change are:

Fairfield Four Standing Outside The Safety Zone
Holly Cole Don’t Smoke in Bed
Jennifer Warnes Famous Blue Rain Coat
Joan Osborne Relish
Airto Moreira Killer Bees
Mickey Hart Dafos
Keith Jarret Trio Changeless
Keith Jarret Survivors Suite
Ralph Towner Soltice
Anouar Brahem Blue Maqams
Fire Orchestra Arrival
Penderecki Threnody For The Victims Of Hiroshima / Popcorn Superhet Receiver / Polymorphia / 48 Responses To Polymorphia
Colin Stetson Sorrow
Eiji Oue, Minnesota Orchestra Mephisto & Co.
Frederick Fennell Trittico!
Nik Bartsch’s Mobile Continuum
Sonny Clark Cool Struttin’
Benny Golson/Art Farmer Killer Joe
Herbie Hancock Empyrean Isles
Sonny Rollins The Bridge
The Vandermark 5 Burn The Incline
Frank Zappa Hot Rats
Frank Zappa Yellow Shark
Kurt Elling Live at the Green Mill
Grateful Dead Blues for Allah
Little Feat Waiting for Columbus

@rower30:
I’d agree as well on Snowmass. I had initially heard the DSD with Red Cloud. My impression was fine but keep looking. I heard Snowmass and pulled the trigger. Basically I can live with this sound on a daily basis. I have Windom installed presently and the jury is still out. Regarding vinyl I enjoy it immensely, and still prefer spinning a quality LP over a Redbook CD. To my ears the vinyl sounds more real similar to a live performance. This is especially true with well recorded acoustic jazz.

As far as convenience, when I am exploring music ,or am just lazy there is always streaming.

BTW nice job on the TPC and SPTPC speaker cables.

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Hey Bob! I am the customer you refer to in your post. I cannot explain the turn around of my original opinion of the SPTPC Cables. I think that I was possibly considering my old cables to be a ‘reference’ cable (which was wrong)! After all, I had the old cables in my system for 5yrs+ and they had, over time, become my reference.

The more I listened to the SPTPC cables, the more I appreciated their more ‘correct’ presentation. I began hearing things that I had never noticed with my old cables. It’s not just that the higher frequencies are clearer… the higher frequency harmonics of low frequency fundamentals are now audible. Everything has opened up! It’s all there now! The veil is gone!

I’m glad you convinced me to continue to listen to the SPTPC Cables for a while before returning them Bob, otherwise, I would have missed out on moving up to the next level in my system!

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The Audiophile definition of “A Reference” is: “I haven’t heard anything better yet” :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

That goes for famous reviewers as well…

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Hi Ken, thank you so much for posting here. I truly enjoyed our time talking on the phone and for the opportunity to send you cables to try. Your experience is one that happens many times so no explaination is necessary other than there may sometimes be a break-in period associated with the cables and our ears. Welcome to the family my friend!!

All the best for 2020.

Bob

I have a file that I toss songs into that show vastly different aspects of a system. This helps define what the SPEAKER / system is doing over the SOURCE. A wider variation is a sign of being more neutral.

I don’t know how many times at a AXPONA room, someone will judge a system by the single song that is playing. Impossible I say.

  • edit to “unknown” song. A well played song can give pretty good insight, but only SOME insight. I auditioned the T+A CWT 1000-40 several times on KNOWN streamed sources. I still drove 850 miles to Georgia to audition them on a bigger, more realistic room with my music.

Best,
Galen Gareis

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I knew a guy in Chicago who would use one track to judge Everything. Works great if you only listen to that one track ; )

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Mr Beef-areeno
Kinda don’t agree with you there. When you run an experiment, you change only one variable.

Jeebus, Ron, you’re confusing me today. You’re saying you judge new components with a single track?

Like when you evaluated Windom vs. Snowmass or the Iconoclast cables, you just played In A Gadda Da Vida over and over?

Sounds like Joseph Audio at the shows. First he leaves a bowl of M&M’s around to sweeten your hearing and then he whips out “Louis Armstrong / St. James Infirmary” on vinyl and he always use Cardas Golden Reference cables to keep the sound sweet. His speakers sound excruciating bright otherwise.

yes i do.
then after a long time, i move on to other music. i put in a lot of time listening and comparing.
i have friends who audition components, cables, fuses, etc by listening to a wide range of random material.
but i listen to a completely familiar track: how does that piano strike sound; how does that horn sound; how does that muted trumpet sound; wait–i hear air thru the mouthpiece that i never heard before; i hear reverb on this piece i never heard before; i hear the bass player grunting along with his solo that i never noticed; i hear his fingers striking the string… but that’s me. not saying it’s “the way”.
in fact, when i auditioned my iconoclast cables, that’s what i did and the individual placement of instruments in the soundstage was stunning over what i had, so i bought them.

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Bruh - you’re Entitled to your Wrong Opinion. I’m just concerned that you may lead others to think its OK to leave out the, “then after a long time, i move on to other music” part. Are you saying that that subsequent listening had no effect on your decision(s)? Only served to confirm what you had garnered from this Uber-Track?

too much spleeeeef there in boulder, mr beefareeno.
look at my second sentence.
and it’s just the way i do it. i never said it was THE WAY.
i’m happy to accept my way being the wrong way for everybody else. (one of the benefits of old manness)

Sorry my comedy missed the target with you🤷🏻‍♂️.

No spleefs involved.

Kinda thinking about firing one up now, though🤠

However, on a certain level this is a serious question. I quoted your second sentence. Do you not ever alter you opinion after listening to other stuff, or are you simply saying you can discern everything you need to know from the one track?

of course i listen to a plethora of material. (like that word? i’ve been waiting all day to use it)
but i only listen to music that i’m completely familiar with to demo stuff. call me crazy. but you don’t have to call me crazy. you can call me johnson…

Can I call you Ray Jay?

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ok—here’s something else that might reveal my cray cray—
all day i’ve been listening to bill evans. it’s been a bill evans day—thru an XP-30 what be new to my system.