Belden ICONOCLAST Interconnects and Speaker Cabling

Mediatwist and nano-slew are better choices because the PAIRS are far closer to the same lay length. Remember, we are re-purposing cables. The four different lays are for NEXT control.

This is for SPEAKER cable, not Ethernet! So don’t get the two uses confused. 4800 is killer Ethernet design.

Zero skew (0.0215") and Mediatwist (0.02275") does use smaller AWG wire than 4800 series (0.0253") , but the benefit of the closer lays is higher order in small systems with efficient speakers.

Many report really good results and I’ve done it myself to good effect. No, not ICONOCLAST imaging size and depth but really good definition and contrast compared to 18 AWG zip cord.

Best,
Galen

You’ll notice in Stereo Review (OK, Stereophile) that BIG amps aren’t well rated at high power as the wall outlet can’t deliver enough current and the wall voltage sags. No good real value can be tested at that point.

This voltage sag changes the DC voltage linearity based on the deficiency in delivered current. That’s the capacitors in a peak demandfrom the power supply. The wall outlet feeds the caps AFTER there is a big demand but until then there is near zip current demand from the wall to the amp. And, if the demand to charge the caps continues the wall outlet DOES deliver the current…if it can.

A power cords needs to be transparent to the current demand to the device. Smaller devices have different demands from the wall. The M40 HV T+A maps draw a good deal of power, the P20 suggests 350 watts idle for the two the way they are biased so this does stress the wall oulet past what it can ever deliver under full power no matter how good the power suppy is. We can’t make more power than the wall (20A*120 volts @ 100% efficiency).

Noise needs to be evaluated based on Vcc bias contamination. Is noise influencing the GAIN of a device by moduating the DC? Hard call as few will test for this. What we do know, is a 1200 watt amp can see DC bias sag when the wall outlet voltage DROPS in tandem under high demand. This isn’t a made-up problem. Noise can in theory moduate the DC both ways. What does the EM wave look like when this happens? This is what we hear.

Best,
Galen

Duely nailed Bad Beef! This needs to be LOUD, of course.

Best,
Galen

As un-Woke as that tune may be…:man_shrugging:t2:

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Thanks, @rower30. So what’s the deal with CAT8? Not recommended over CAT6?

Cat 8 is extended frequency range 7 and 7a. The SHIELDS are an issue for impedance stability if done poorly, and ISTP shields are the worst to do wrong as they are intimately in contact…or not, with the shielded wires. The proximity CHANGES the impedance with varying distance…not good. The GEOMETRY stbility needs to be VERY good with shield.

Here is why we use shields when we go WAY up in frequency. It isn’t external ANEXT noise, it is internal NEXT! ACR is the attenuation level relative to the NOISE, mostly internal cable crosstalk. A shield will get you about -100dB down noise between pairs. This saves our pretty small, even with larger 22 AWG wire, signal from the noise.

The second unimagined advantage at the time was indeed ANEXT, or cable to cable crosstalk, not inside the cable but coming in from the outside…INGRESS as it is called. 10G likes low ingress cross talk. An ISTP, individually shielded twisted pair, cable is great at ANEXT reduction so 7, 7a and 8 are 10G compliant by initial design. This is nice as all the installed cable can still be used after three decades! Remember CAT7 goes to 600 MHz and 10G needs 500 MHz.

This is all worst case, though. The signal goes up dramaticlly with shorter lengths and the NIC card only understands the ACR “RATIO”, not how it was derived. A short cable or shielded longer cable looks the same to a NIC card. The length based SKEW and DELAY are automatically adjusted for so those are immaterial.

You can use about any cable in a 1 meter or so interconnect, and it is the CONNECTOR quality that is 90% of your channel problem.

This is why I use CAT6 PS6+ level patch with pre terminated and tested connectors intalled. The impedance stability and RL response with good RJ connectors is better than CAT7, 7A or 8 as they are nor DESIGNED to use RJ, but are supplied that way. They use a TERA style connector and plug that ISOLATES each pair with METAL and that is different than RJ to better leverage the cable’s design attributes. These have far better RL geometry through the connector to not waste everything that was done to make the cable so much better with lower ANEXT and NEXT and lower attenuation (22 AWG wire).

We have PLENTY of signal in short reach audio with standard Ethernet 5e, and 6. We want to mitigate reflections as best we can in short “channels”. In some cases, adding length can improve things as it attenuates RL reflections bouncing around in the cable from crappy connectors and cable.

I recommend super good BONDED pair CAT6+ patch with preterminated and tested RJ’s. I use these 100% in my system as the impedance stability is really, really, good and that’s what we need in short lengths to remove RL reflections inside the cable as we technically have TOO MUCH signal!

Best,
Galen

How can a power cable not be for this market? The BAV cord on BNC, RCA, Belden 1313A and now the power cables are “all” intended for “anyone” (enthusiast, integrator, or audiophile) who might like to purchase “American designed, manufactured and tested products” that hands down represent some of the best values in the AV industry. At least that is what the customers say that purchase BAV products. I’m sure there are some that find some products that do not cost enough to qualify as an audiophile product. Galen’s comments about the “Pro” market or target is with regard to the cord material. Belden never offered off the shelf or even custom cable assemblies unless the quantities were significant. The “pro” market is demanding about performance and cost. In the case of a “power cord,” the BAV product with quality connectivity provides great performance at a reasonable cost.

We have just started shipping BAV power cables. The jury is out but I expect to start receiving feedback shortly. Stay tuned.

You seem to have a following that agrees with most everything you say so I should not have been surprised to see Ron decide to not try a cable. That is a shame because “all” BAV products from BJC are great products and represent great value.

Sorry you felt I was being defensive in my aversion to adding tech flex to a power cable. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I suppose my feeling was “its a power cable.” I am not offended when someone disagrees with me…

Comments on the images of the cable were all over the place. One guy said that it reminded him of the hydraulic hoses on his tractor. Others loved the cables. Here is a few of the comments I received privately.

“Hey when they make my power cables, I want them to look like the ones on the ps page, techflex, or Purdue plugs, the big honkin ass plugs that Galen requested will be fine.”

“No tech flex for me brother, it’s a power cord, just straight cord and plug.”

“My wife laughed at the way some of those guys were about the looks of the cord…”

Others have already requested the power cables be dressed up and at least one has ordered 1313A with the Techflex.

Everyone has an opinion but to say that BAV products are not for this market is incorrect. We have provided a significant amount of BAV cables to customers as a result of this forum and we continue to be grateful to our moderators and our hosts for the opportunity to be a part.

Now it’s official. I consulted the techs who build these assemblies and we are able to add Techflex in black for now for $1 per foot additional. We are unsure if the locking collar with hold it tightly in place but will try to build one soon. The other option is to use a small section of heat shrink to hold the Techflex in place. Either way, we can do it and images will follow. I will need to place any orders for Techflex manually until we can revise the link.

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My comment about not trying one was sarcasm, Bob, set by the rather dopey comment that these power cables are not “audiophile” but rather for the “pro” market.
It’s why engineering and marketing are almost always separate departments with different skill sets.

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I misunderstood, please accept my apology. We are not real good in the marketing department…

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BAV Power Cables - 12 AWG w/TechFlex and duplex receptacle and those “big a**” aluminum connectors!


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That’s what I would’ve thought, and said as much three days ago - but that was the impression I got from Galen’s reply, that it was Pro market stuff, and they don’t want flex on it… :man_shrugging:t2:

I never in a million years thought a question about a flex option would turn into…whatever this is. If you’d replied, “Sure, you can add flex for a buck a foot.” that would’ve been it.

Glad somebody’s wife got a laugh out of it.

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All is good Mark! Thank you.

That’s one sexy connector. The pneumatic look is growing on me. :wink:

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Please, no need for an apology, my friend!

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Bob,

You sold me on the connector AND the tech flex look! searching the couch cushions should cover the extra cost for the tech flex.

These are still the highest tested performance we can get at the lowest design price as the market has a hole there. And, many feel this is not the audiophile market.

I use the BAV cords (lab connectors, rats) and my system is like soup, mmm, mmm good.

Best,
Galen

Very nice look. I like the tech flex option. In this market I think the option is worth offering. I love that these are made to order by hand in the good ole USA and have world class support to go along with the product. They are obviously very high quality, no BS, get the job done right cords.
Just as an FYI the hydraulic hoses on my John Deere loader have an Aeroquip version of Tech Flex covering them as an abrasion shield but they do look better for it. :smile:

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Thanks Galen. As always a response that is chock full of info. :slightly_smiling_face:

Is the tech flex option available now?

See above. Bob says it adds $1 per foot but you have to call him to order.

Yes sir, it is an option but you will need to contact me to order. bhoward@iconoclastcable.com

since it will be a special from the standard cable.