Thanks for sharing that. I’m in need of another cord to use with my third ZROCK2 which I have on order for my third, headphone only, system (which is based on a P10, a NuWave DAC and a GCHA, an AudioLab 6000CDT and a DVR) so this BAV may end up serving that purpose. I haven’t used a Decware cord in a decade but I remember how it sounded. I’ll be very surprised if the BAV replaces one of my PS Audio AC-12, but we’ll see. . . .
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I haven’t heard an AC-12 but the BAV is a night day difference compared to AC-5.
Thanks. So is the AC-12! 
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I have a few questions. I have all Nordost Red Dawn IECs, which are about 14AWG if I had to guess, and I’m relatively happy with them. I had PSA AC-5 cables and loved the build quality but HATED the anaconda style cable and all of the headache of thick, heavy, hard to bend cables. These offerings look fantastic and it seems like a good value proposition to try them out and potentially sell off the Nordost I have as a break-even (or pocket some bucks).
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How flexible are these compared to some of the other massive offerings? I was thinking that 10AWG makes sense for a power amp and power conditioner, but don’t want saggy power cables. 14AWG makes sense for components, but the price difference between 10AWG and 14AWG in my cart is only $100. Maybe 12AWG is a good compromise? This is for an Audioquest Niagara 3000 and McIntosh MC275 (75w x 2).
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Are these welded ala the other Blue Jeans offerings? I have no doubt in my mind that they’ll be terminated with care, but I’m just curious.
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Can they be shorter than 3ft, like 2 or 2.5ft? My stuff all lives in a rack and having nice, short direct runs would be a dream.
The AC-12 is a special, though occasionally wearisome cord. Someone else referred to its anaconda-like properties. Having encountered one of those in the wild, I think that’s unfair to the snake, which, despite its girth, is incredibly flexible. The PSA AC-12 is a marvelous cord sonically, but about as flexible as a 2x4. I plan to compare my inbound BAVs with it and several others.
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Ha! Not surprised to find we are on the same page Mr. H!
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I can answer the flexibility question as my pair of 6ft 10awg cables turned up earlier this week. They are super flexible! Very easy to route considering the size of conductors
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+1 I concur
I’ll agree. The 12 AWG are as flexible or more than my Shunyata Alpha.
While I can’t speak for the other “massive offerings,” our BAV power cables are as good as or better a power cord option as you will find at “any” price. These begin, with the finest power cord in the “Belden” system. If you have confidence in the 118-years of experience coupled with the American designed and produced Belden product line then you will know that the resources devoted to the engineering and design of world-class performance is paramount.
Our power cable terminations are not “welded.” The connectivity portion is hand terminated and tested with the “Slaughter” at 5000 volts. This is to catch any exposed copper in the connector assembly. There’s nothing really to report other than pass or fail in this capacity. It is a power cable responsible for 115v+, 60 cycles of clean power. We are not talking full bandwidth speaker or interconnect cables. The 10 AWG like the others is flexible but not “saggy.” In hand, there is an absolute of quality!! I will say that the 10 AWG is heavy and will tax worn, loose retention, wall receptacles. Not really different, other than a proper combination of design and extra quality materials not found in other offerings. This is not the Space-X launch vehicle or capsule. I will dispose to let our “customers” speak for SQ and performance of these very fine cables as compared to others costing multiples of 10x or greater. Thank you for your interest.
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Where do we go to find these for sale?
Cheers,
Thank you all for your interest!! The thread moves so fast that I must occasionally repeat myself… I’m sorry, 
For those who have interest in purchasing the BAV Power Cable you may email me at bhoward@iconoclastcable.com or give me a call within rational hours at 850-860-0940 (please don’t give my number to the telemarketers… )
Or you may order online without “tech flex” at the link provided by s alvanip above…
Thank you so much for the thoughtful reply. I’ll probably get an order in for at least 1 or 2 to start out with and will hopefully continue to swap away once I find the size that suits my needs. I saw the “hydraulic cable” comment and quite frankly love the look. Reminds me of the lines you see in purpose built race cars with AN fittings abound.
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This one is for @ BobBJC and/or Galen (@ rower30). And please pardon me if this question has already been asked and answered somewhere in the 2500+ posts of this thread. Is there a more affordable, (and just as importantly) in-wall rated speaker cable with Galen’s Iconoclastic engineering voodoo applied to it?
Here is the issue, the cost per foot on speaker cable is just too high. Technically the speaker cable meets the highest safety rating of CMP (plenum) and can be installed in ceiling airways and walls, both. But to use this for in-wall in longer lengths is cost prohibitive in longer lengths.
So we have NOT added the cost to UL list the cable as near no-one would use it as in-wall and air-space installations. This would unfairly raise the prices…and we get KILLED with complaints already on knocking even more off the price while keeping the quality up. we’ve cut the prices over 50% from the start of the project! We want to be in the lower quartile of the market and are with the TPC, which are a stunning good deal by the way.
As long as we get hammered on the price based on volume, and not the engineering I’m good with that. No cable no matter how cheap is worth buying if it doesn’t meet electrical promises. We just went way ahead of the 80/20 rule on these, 80% the performance at 20% of the price. But, if you want to know for sure what the best electrical I can achieve do…this is what ICONOCLAST is about. And, we show you HOW we achieved and WHAT those measurements are.
Best,
Galen Gareis
Thanks for the prompt reply Galen. While both the power amps (Meridian 557 @200w/ch) and loudspeakers (ATC SCM 12i Pro) I’ll be using for the four ceiling mounted Atmos channels are pretty high-end, I can’t justify or afford any of the current Iconoclast speaker cables for this application. I was hoping that you had created a more affordable, more bendy frugal man’s version for pro audio use much as you’ve done with the interconnect. I guess not then.
Is there a particular in wall rated speaker cable product you would recommend?
Yes,
1313A is a CMR rated (not in air plenums) cable that fits the 80/20 rule if not better as it is super high volume production.
The Pro market doesn’t need a “speaker” cable as they use powered speakers that use XLR input. That explains why there isn’t a BAV speaker cable. The very few that use a low impedance speaker use 1313A. Yes, the older studio models were low impedance but those days are going away in the studio for DSP EQ monitors with built-in amps.
Best,
Galen Gareis
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I suspected that Galen. I’m well aware of the pro audio studio crowd’s predilection for active monitors. My 5 identical bed loudspeakers are ATC ASCM20ASL pro actives, hence the choice of the ATCs for the immersive audio channels. It’s just that hanging identical active monitors on the ceiling would require additional electrical outlets in odd spots. Not to mention the difficulty of sourcing suitably rigid ceiling mounts with tilt and pan when the active monitor’s weighs 65 pounds ea.
Blue Jeans no longer seems to carry Belden 1313A…