Belden ICONOCLAST Interconnects and Speaker Cabling

1694A is a Digital Audio cable first and foremost by design. It excels at that task for any 75-ohm SPDIF signal.

For analog we need to change the design to account for Vp non linearity and other issues digital doesn’t have to worry about since the Vp is flat at RF (no group delay) and we re-construct the signal at the end of all cable chains to perfection and all errors are removed and corrected. We can’t do that with analog.

Analog gets worse and worse all the way to the speaker hate to say. Every effort to remove distortions helps improve the end signal’s characteristics to the original source.

Best,
Galen

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The use of “materials” as a selling point is easy to top with superior EM design. Anybody can use “can’t top this” material in substandard designs and provide you with the bill, me included.

ICONOCLAST avoid the $$$ materials till dead last as the DESIGN is what you are paying for. Materials need to be appropriate for the application and that’s easy to adhere to. The DESIGN that is appropriate for the application is far more elusive and difficult.

MS rates tires on my Panamera will allow it to eclipse my GTI with summer tires, easily. Why? The fundamental DESIGN of the car is superior to $$$ summer tires allowing it to excel with “lesser” materials! Make sure you get the right design before you pay for any materials. True on all kinds of things.

What allows the $$$ materials to work properly, and to the level you are paying for? Without that answer race tires on a go cart isn’t the best purchase. The same tire on various “cars” will perform radically different too. Thus just the tire isn’t really getting the job done. The CAR is a larger variable than the tire. Sure, the best car AND the best tire is what we want. We seldom pay attention to the car buying cable.

We’ve been trained to buy materials. I was too until I looked at the deficiencies through the audio band that need better solutions and wire or any magic material by themselves won’t provide them. Now what? We need better designs.

I decided to look at the design as I’m a look at the car more kind of buyer. ICONOCLAST is that resultant. Now we can see better where the beef is with copper if there is any as the DESIGN allows a higher order or performance from any wire material. Now we are getting somewhere.

Manufacturer’s need to step-up and show the beef on their designs, and HOW materials are best leveraged electromagnetically. Hate it or not, it is all in the math. The cable has no emotions and will intertwin with the physics based on the field properties in space and the dielectrics. It can’t sound better if the design isn’t better. Find out where a design is better and look at the data that supports it. We do it for all our other audio stuff but not cable.

At any moment we have the best wire (conductor) and dielectric to work with. Mother nature says there is but ONE “ideal” EM design to use them in. I don’t think we have that ONE ideal design as no one is willing to substantiate WHY their current design(s) excels and fails. When every change makes a design WORSE, we are seeing a asymptotic level of balance that says we have a better, if not the most, ideal design limited by analog physics.

As a design is better, it tends to improve ALL aspects of how EM wave behave at analog frequencies. Mother Nature is efficient. She’ll make sure every step is a proper step for every attribute and in the proper direction if the DESIGN is correct. What that pinnacle of perfection is is what we are after.

The wire material as ZERO influence in that balance with referenced input conductor (use copper, or silver, or aluminum as an example). Once a proper EM balance is achieved, we can then, and only then, change referenced wire material science and evaluate the changes…if we even can. We place way too much emphasis on a wire property and far too little on design.

Best,
Galen

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I know we offer copper variation, but the sound is tightly centered around the DESIGN and not the wire MATERIAL. And yes, this is as it should be. I use all TPC in my system, full disclosure there.

What you are hearing is the EM response through the audio band for a DESIGN and the material can’t make that happen. The physical arrangement of the wire and the plastics achieve that analog frequency property. This is sort of obviously we have all sorts of cable DESIGNS for different frequencies and signals. In the audio band we seem more about just materials. Bad guess on that ideal. We need to look at the design first as it carries more weight in what we hear.

Even a cable we enjoy we will comment on what is used in the design and ignore the design. Opps.

PS Audio uses all the same electrical components everyone else uses, but we don’t suggest it sounds like it does because we used X,Y or Z component, we talk about the DESIGNS! We go opposite that with cable for some reason.

Best,
Galen

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Depending on the cable I have several wire cutters and strippers. Sometimes I resort to an xacto knife if I don’t feel like I have a stripper that can get through the housing without damaging inner shields.

For instance the Clear Beyond XL cable has separate shields for each of the three inner cable bundles. Underneath that shield is a wrapped “mylar” insulator used to keep the shield isolated from the inner conductors. When I first got the cable I took off both ends and looked to see how Cardas had terminated the cables. I then cut the cable into three equal lengths and began to reverse engineer what I found on the OEM terminations. I wasn’t happy with the quality on the first two attempts, so one of the cables is ~4" shorter than the other two.

Some cables like the PSA AC cables, the ends are pressed on and I haven’t found a way to remove. In that case, depending on the length of the cable, I may cut it in half and leave the OEM ends connected and then terminate the cut ends to the best of my knowledge. I recently did this for a close friend who is on his first upgrade path from a simple Receiver to an Amp and better speakers.

I also have to have a checklist next to me that I refer to throughout the build. There’s nothing worst then to realize that I forgot to put the backshell, techflex, L&R color ring, or shrink tube onto the cable before I terminate it. DOH!!!

Lastly, I like to build headphone cable. I have a small but decent headphone collection and a number of different sources with different outputs. So I build cables mostly out of Neotech NECH-3001 with Furutech connectors. It’s fantastic sounding, very light, and virtually no microphonics.

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In the spirit of this thread, I too am waiting for the next gen of Iconoclast. Our main rig is mostly Transparent Ultra and Reference Gen5 and Gen6. With monoblocks in my very near future, I am going to replace the 2M Reference speaker cables with shorter next gen Iconoclast.

My cable hobby is mostly confined to our lesser systems scattered around our house.

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I’ve been buying and using Furutech power cable and connectors almost exclusively for a few years now. The materials and construction are excellent and the results rival far more expensive power cords that I have.

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Tomorrow’s project

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What cable is that?

BTW - I like your workstation. Nice to have the ruler and the trays.

It’s a great tray. It’s silicone so it’s resistant to solder and it has many compartments designed for electronic component parts in numerical order. It’s saved me a few times when I’ve taken things apart.

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Silicone contamination and solder operations are something to avoid in commercial or military electronics manufacturing. I am surprised that someone actually makes this.

I was unaware of this. What is the issue with silicone?

I ordered one. My workstation currently has a large piece of plate glass for the surface with a myriad of small containers for parts I am currently using.

Upgrade!!!

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It’s to catch stray drops rather than my work station desk. Which is actually a piece of fold up furniture. It never sees anything of high heat. 99% of my work is dry cabling with no solder.

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I like your setup. I really like the idea of the hideaway Murphy table. That’s great having the shelves right there with containers for multiple hobbies. I’m sure I would constantly be in trouble having it down and loaded with my cr@p.

Extra points for the power strip!

The lack of a magnifying lamp is an annoying reminder about my eyesight. :nerd_face:

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I would need the lighted version of the magnifier :grin:

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The magnifier is on my head. I use a magnifying headgear with a built in light.

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Hi Everyone,

I’ll know more about the disclosure time tomorrow afternoon since we have a patent review meeting in the morning. I have to go with the lawyer’s findings as we go for disclosure and submission.

So hurry up an wait as they say, or immediate service no matter how long it takes. I too want to have you know how we improved, as a cost, ICONOCLAST to a better measured and calculated ideal for audio.

Since all of our cables are based on cost / complexity, there will be tiers of products based on the costs to make them and with the differences truly there.

As always you can AB to tell what’s happening between your system and your ears. In-use is the final judge of how far we can go measurement wise for each of you but measurement is the true judge of “better” and again, if it isn’t better how can it sound better?

Best,
Galen

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Galen has gone over the design details and the results of testing in detail with me and I have to say that, on paper, the improvement in signal time alignment is IMPRESSIVE over the original design. I’m hoping to hear them this coming week (held them in my hand but Galen’s amps were out for service).

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Neat!

Exciting times ahead. Neat indeed!