BHK Beta Tester Reports

Green Machine,

I can’t speak to the sound of the BHK 250.

I am supposed to receive the special CD this Tuesday and am looking forward to listening to it to see what it shows. I will compare record of “Just a little lovin” to the cd.

Had mine son’s fiancé’s 2 year old nephew over and played a train record. After the train came roaring by, he ran in between the speakers (see pic on earlier post above) and asked “where did the train go?”

I should add that my soundstage is just behind the speakers to beyond the back wall and wall to wall at the sides. the speakers have disappeared. Probably could be better but I have no room to move speakers out from wall as you can see in pic. Really looking forward to new house.

@nortonkp…Thank you very much for answering my questions. Your response/review is very helpful and I appreciate the comparisons…much appreciated103_gif

Here is an interesting chart listing the dBs of musical instruments:

Musical Noise

normal piano practice 60-70 dB
fortissimo singer 3 ft. away 70 dB
chamber music in small auditorium 75-85 dB
regular sustained exposure may cause permanent damage 90-95 dB
piano fortissimo 92-95 dB
violin 84-103 dB
cello 82-92 dB
oboe 90-94 dB
flute 85-111 dB
piccolo 95-112 dB
clarinet 92-103 dB
french horn 90-106 dB
trombone 85-114 dB
timpani & bass drum rolls 106 dB
average Walkman on 5/10 setting 94 dB
symphonic music peak 120-137 dB
amplified rock music at 4-6 ft. 120 dB
rock music peak 150 dB

In my case the problem is not the amplifier, but the room - the resonances do not allow to go louder.

nortonkp said The clipping light on my RTA SPL meter flashes sporadically at about 95db.
This is over my head technically but is this really measuring when the amp clips or is it perhaps the mic used by the RTA?

I am curious as well. I read it to mean that SPL levels of 95dB were periodically reached, but I do not understand the reference to clipping.

I don’t see how an SPL meter can measure amp clipping either…

Also, if the amp goes into ‘safe mode’ that doesn’t mean it was clipping. I believe I read that there was to be an ‘adjustment’ on the sensitivity of the safe mode circuit…

I used the Audio Tools Studio Six Digital App SPL meter set to fast and A weighted to measure SPLs from 7 feet away from my B&W speakers. I am assuming the clipping indicator was measuring a clipped signal. Perhaps it measures clipping of the mic.

I have that app. I believe the only thing it measures is sound level. It cannot tell music from a jet engine so I don’t think there is any way for it to know when an amp is clipping.

Stevem2, have you seen the white clipping dial on your app’s SPL meter flash red?

I’m not sure what you’re referring to by the “clipping dial”. Do you use the SPL Meter or SPL Pro app within the app? On the SPL Meter with the analog style meter display you can set the range so that even a finger snap goes into the red zone. I haven’t really used the app much but again I don’t think it can make qualitative judgments about sound, such as when an amp is clipping. It tells you how loud the amp is playing but not whether the sound is distorted.

nortonkp said I used the Audio Tools Studio Six Digital App SPL meter set to fast and A weighted to measure SPLs from 7 feet away from my B&W speakers. I am assuming the clipping indicator was measuring a clipped signal.
It probably indicates when the input of the phone is clipped. It has nothing to do with the amp, signal it is receiving or anything outside of the phone itself.

Also, better SPL phone apps know the capability of the hardware on which they are installed and indicate the maximum level they can measure. Often this is right around 90dB or a bit more. As one would expect, phone hardware is very limited.

OK guys, here’s my first post about the BHK monos!

First, I should probably note a bit about the equipment, so here’s kind of the rundown:

2014 MacMini with Roon / OSX Yosemite; Uptone Audio power supply / fan controller and outboard linear power supply

Directstream DAC with Yale OS

Audio Research Ref 10 Preamp (1980s era Reflektor 6H30P-DR tubes)

BHK’s are filing in for Audio Research Ref 610T’s with KT150 tubes

PS Audio P5 for front end, two P10’s for amps

Cardas Clear Beyond speaker, power, Clear interconnects

Wilson Audio Alexia speakers

Revel Rhythm 2 subs

(Every component (including now BHK’s) employs use of some version of Stillpoints isolators, Ultra SS’s, Ultra 6’s under components, and Ultra 5’s under speakers and subs)

Ok, with that out of the way, here’s a brief timeline so far:

On Monday evening the BHK monoblocks arrived. Those of you who have P10 units would note that the amplifiers are boxed in similar condition, with cornering protectors and well cushioned and strapped. They are obviously heavy; perhaps my experience with the P10’s conditioned me however. They seemed relatively easy to unpack and set up in position. I took a page out of Dave’s book and oriented them backwards for access to the tubes (more about that in a moment). I do know that some beta stereo testers had reported issues with their binding posts. Paul might be able to weigh in about that further, but suffice it to say that the binding posts / terminals on my units were robust, easy to unscrew, and tightly and neatly seated the spade connectors on the Cardas Clear Beyond speaker cables I installed.

A little bit about myself:

I don’t know if I would call myself an audiophile as much as a “music enjoyer” lol, although I am clearly obsessive about it at times. I grew up playing classical piano, and would have perhaps pursued piano performance as a career were it not for the uncertainty of being able to feed myself :) I do feel somewhat qualified to opine about the quality of musical reproduction based on this background (I should know what a piano sounds like, right?) While I like classical music, I listen to just about everything in between, particularly if it is well recorded/sounds good.

I should also mention that I’m probably a little “tube” obsessed-well probably “very” tube obsessed. My obsession with trying to find the most accurate reproduction of music has led me down the road of a lot of tube rolling. My latest escapade being the NOS tubes I secured for my preamplifier. To me, (obviously YMMV) tube rolling can result in a very perceptible sonic improvement.

I say the foregoing because I fired up the BHK monos and the first words I would use to describe the sound would be “open.” Very open and transparent as a matter of fact. I was pleased with some of the initial music that I queued up, in particular the classical chamber music. I am particularly happy with the BHK’s ability to recreate the presence of musical instruments in some of the initial classical recordings that I have auditioned.

I have to be honest, however. It didn’t take me more than a couple of hours of initial listening before I became impatient enough to roll the gold lion tubes with some NOS Telefunken E88CC tubes that I’ve had here waiting for the amplifiers that I bought from Kevin at Upscale Audio (FYI at http://www.upscaleaudio.com/telefunken-e88cc-6922/). I had read several reviews about these tubes from a variety of sources, and thought that they’d be good to try.

For someone that is as addicted to tube rolling as I am, and probably will try a few different tubes, swapping the tubes was a very easy proposition. The design of the monoblocks makes their access very straightforward using just a phillips screwdriver to unlatch the small metal covering. I found that the tube sockets in the monoblocks appeared to be very well made. The tubes easily came out, and the E88CC tubes went in. To my ears, this was a very noticeable improvement in sound quality (I can not overemphasize this, but take my opinion for what it is worth). So pleased as I was with the improvement, I went back to some initial listening.

The BHK’s are very quiet. That is to say, the noise floor of these amplifiers is perceptibly lower than anything I have ever heard. Music appears to arrive out of the blackness of space, and envelopes and surrounds the listener. It is, so far, a very satisfying phenomenon in my listening room. I have noticed that it is very easy to mentally (virtually) set up the musical instruments and accompanying soundstage in this kind of a scenario. In other words, the musical information comes forward as if the musicians are performing the music for you, versus the listener hearing some kind of representation of the performance.

Suffice it to say for this initial post, the BHK’s are benefiting greatly from some additional break in time. I am going to post a follow up review once the units have had a chance to acclimate a bit more.

Verdict so far? I’m very pleased. The BHKs are very good amplifiers. Believe the hype that you are hearing about them. I’ll get into the music in a subsequent post :)

Hello All,

My apologies! My SPL meter app has a low and high setting. Set to high on my iPad, I recorded 101.3db on PF’s ‘Money’ with my DS DAC volume set to 90. I can report clean & clear sound. I could have gone louder (Yikes) but am not willing to risk my speakers and/or hearing.

The BHK Signature 250 never ceases to amaze me, Kevin

Makes sense.

(As an aside, German car owner and three Ducatis: a 999, 1098S Tricolore, 1098S Streetfighter, and a 2015 BMW S1000RR motorsports tricolor)

Are production units shipping?

I have not noticed any mention of it but the order page says the following:

“Stereos available in June, July for Monos.”

Oh yeah, they’re shipping.

OK, I have about 240 hours on the BHK 250 stereo now, so it’s in the ‘break-in’ range that others said it would peak between 200 to 400. I took my wife to the airport for her trip to the Boston ComicCon at 330AM, so I stayed home to recover. In between naps I cranked up the BHK to higher levels. My cellphone RTA analyzer said I was listening at average levels between 80 to 90 dB.

One of the problems with break-in is that I may have forgotten what the amp sounded like at zero hours vs. now, so I think the following happened as a result of break-in or possibly the DS Yale tweak:

Soundstage was as crisp as before with the instruments in the same locations, however, now it seemed there was more dark space around each individual instrument allowing me to pinpoint not only its location but to let my mind float and have fun imagining how each note is created. For example, on 2Cellos “Mumbasa,” the guys are using the cellos also for percussion, pizzicato, as well as using the bow on the string. The bow/string interaction is great (other call this ‘resin’ of the bow, but it’s the interaction of the bow hair with the metal string that you hear and all its higher order harmonics) Each pizzicato pluck is also uniquely placed.

I remember the Streets 950 as I turned up the volume,it seemed to blur and muddle just a bit. Yes, it got louder, but there was also a bit of smear in the sound that encouraged me to turn it back down to get the crispness back. You wanted to ‘turn it up’ to hear the fainter instruments, but it became self-defeating.

With the BHK at 240 hours a completely different phenomenon happens: The instruments don’t get THAT much louder, but the attack of each note sounds crisper with deeper black space around each note. It’s sheer joy to listen to.

–SSW

patentpending said OK guys, here's my first post about the BHK monos!

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Patent Pending, I enjoyed your write up and would like to ask if you can give me a good source for the NOS Telefunken E88CC tubes (I only need one for my 250 stereo.

Incidentally are you an inventor or a patent atty?

[Note to administrator, I have posted this to both the BHK beta testers thread and the DSD thread since it equally applies to both]

With the introduction of the Yale system to the DSD (Ted and Paul, you did it again-just like getting a new and improved DAC!) and the continual, albeit subtle, improvement of the BHK with use (which just adds to the incredible performance of the amp), I find my head spinning as I listen to the music and try to mentally assign the noticable improvement in the various aspects of the sound quality to one or both of the units. However, I find that difficult. For example, is the improved clarity, quietness, transient response, and soundstaging (I could go on) due to the improved performance of the DAC (if so, which update?) or the BHK (new or broken in?). However this distracts me from my enjoyment of the music and I am now in the process trying to block out these considerations out as I concentrate solely on the music which I am enjoying as never before.

Is anybody else going through this (let’s call it a high class problem)? If so I invite your comments.

P.S. Of course I could add my P10, power cables and interconnects to the mix, which would just add to the confusion.

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