Bridge II Reviews

QNAP NAS app for JR 21. Some may find this useful. Before anyone get’s too excited, it requires a MC21 Linux license. I assume that’s pretty rare around here.

http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=101828.0

I followed your instruction to insert the location of my files on the Synology. MinimWatch is running yet I cannot see a menu like on Media Center. Is this a problem with . jar files? How do I ensure that .jar files are associated with Java?

If MinimWatch is running and you were able to set the contentDir location of your music files, then all is well. (You would associate .jar files with Java as you would with any Windows program – right click, select Open With, set the default program).

I don’t use JRiver, so I’m not sure what you are expecting to see. MinimServer is a UPnP/DNLA program, so you need a control point. I have read that JRiver can act this way in addition to using its built-in player, but can’t give details. Hopefully some JRiver users can help out.

If you have an Android tablet, get the BubbleUPnP app. If you have an iPad, there is no control point as good as BubbleUPnP (it’s Android only), but mconnect is OK. With either one, select the Bridge as your renderer and MinimServer as your library.

I use Jriver (DSD ISO) and Minim/eLyrics (WAV/FLAC) on laptop windows 7 as Server, BubbeluPnP as controller for music library HDD attached to the laptop, it works perfectly and sounds good streaming to Bridge II.

If I go for Synology NAS, I know Minim can be itnstalled on NAS to play WAV/FLAC, but not for DSD ISO file. Then how to stream DSD ISO from NAS directly? nerd_gif

amsco15 said QNAP NAS app for JR 21. Some may find this useful. Before anyone get's too excited, it requires a MC21 Linux license. I assume that's pretty rare around here.

http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=101828.0


maybe not as rare as you think… when i upgraded i went for the universal license b/c i wanted the option to try J River on linux. I have some doubts about running it on the lower-end QNAP NAS’s, but I think it it great that J River has come out with a QNAP version. Might give great results and save people a whole lot of $$.

amsco15 said QNAP NAS app for JR 21. Some may find this useful. Before anyone get's too excited, it requires a MC21 Linux license. I assume that's pretty rare around here.

http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=101828.0


Yes, I also read this, very interesting!

Currently I use my notebook as host for Jriver accessing my WD NAS (with Twonky built in) and playing to the bridge. At the time I listen to music I don’t need to access my PC, so no problem with that.

Advantage: fast host for Jriver compared to a NAS with Jriver
Disadvantage: one more hop within the network between NAS and bridge

So my consideration is: does the add. hop from NAS over the PC to bridge matter at all? At the end music is pulled from the NAS and played from PC Memory to bridge, so at this point the previous hop (NAS) isn’t of any concern anymore, it’s history and data just plays from PC to Bridge.

So for all those who don’t want to involve their PC in playing the music Jriver on NAS is an advantage, but if the availability of the PC while playing music does not matter, I see no need for a big Jriver fitted NAS, which at the end is a slower little PC inside the NAS.

Any other arguments?

@jazzbug: I’m not up on NAS functionality but will MinimStreamer not work from NAS? This may help:

http://forum.minimserver.com/showthread.php?tid=2660

jazznut said

I see no need for a big Jriver fitted NAS, which at the end is a slower little PC inside the NAS


You raise an interesting question, and the answer at the moment is ‘unknown.’ I regularly use MinimServer running on my Synology DS213, which is a low to mid level model (not the very lowest, though). Works very well.

When I read about the availability of JRiver for QNAP, I immediately wondered whether such a large, complex program as JRiver is well adapted to running on a NAS. MinimServer by comparison is small and light. Did the JRiver folks keep all the functionality of the desktop verison, or is it stripped down to run on a less powerful processor? What level of QNAP (processor/ram) do you need to run it well?

Perhaps someone with a QNAP has tried JRiver on it and can comment.

I got the Bridge II installed, JRiver/JRemote fully integrated, and have been playing for awhile. I have to say that the new Bridge II is absolutely terrific. The best sound I have gotten from my system, all without the drama I had with the previous Bridge and my other dedicated server. Very well done PS Audio!

Thanks!!happy-132_gifgoofy-heart_gif

That’s good to hear, 4n6. Ordered mine last weekend and waiting for the dealer to get it in. Still no word.

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Couple of months using Bridge II and very happy. Works flawless with SSD (direct on Netgear Nighthawk) Tidal and Qobuz. Bridge hard-wired to Netgear and all controlled with BubbleUpnp on Samsung Galaxy Tab S2.

Sound is sublime, very good job indeed PS Audio 41_gif

Martin Logan Spire / Rel Stadium II / Jadis DA-60 / Systemdech - Kiseiki blue / PS Audio P10, PWET, Direcstream + Bridge II cables from PS Audio, NBS, Transparent & Siltech

Nice setup.

I like the sort-of-antler thing.

just like an Elk to like a “sort-of-antler” thingy! blush_gif

It’s a shame to hide the rest of him in that big black box!

Nice looking room and gear.

Setup: Hardware: Desktop custom PC (Dual Core Intel 2.4 GH with 8 gigs of RAM, Netgear Nighthawk router, PWD II with Bridge II. Anti-cable Level 4 XLR interconnects and tri-wired speaker cables, Nuforce/NuPrime Reference 20 monoblock amps, Reference 3A speakers with 2 TBI subwoofers, TAD Power Purifier with Bybee cables to ‘hospital grade’ wall outlet, and lots of VPI bricks and Black Diamond Racing Cones.

Software: Windows 10 Professional 64bit, Fidelizer Pro in Extreme mode, Minimserver+Minimstreamer with 24 bit WAV conversion but currently no upsampling–was upsampling (oversampling?) in Minimstreamer(not on PWDII–always on NativeX) to 192 but it became wearing; McConnect on iPod Touch 5 and iPad (was the first retina screen model, don’t recall the model name).

Good: SQ is significantly better than Bridge I, no question. For the first time I can play 2496 and 24192 files with no skipping or noises, just as reliably as 1644 files.

Bad: Sometimes skips silently 1-2-3-4-5 etc through an entire album, or stops after the first track, or skips the first track and plays properly from the second track on. This is within a single album. Sometimes a certain album seems to be prone to this, but then it plays properly another time. This never happened on the same setup with Bridge I. When it stops there is an error message on McConnect indicating it has lost contact with the Bridge. I cold boot the iOS product and PWD II when there are problems and that helps. Note that I think my network communication is strong, registering 30-50 mb/sec wirelessly and 80-120 mb/sec wired. No other devices on the system give any problems.

Questions: 1. Is there any chance a wireless connection would have a better SQ if it worked? Worth experimenting?

  1. Does anyone have an idea why both Bridge I and II sometimes lose network connection when other devices do not?

  2. A weird phenomenon: the sonic difference between + and - phase settings on the PS Audio remote seems less on the Bridge II than on the Bridge I, but still significant. Anyone else have this?

  3. Would I have noticeably superior SQ with the JRiver software rather than the Minimserver/streamer?

mosheopod said

Questions: 1. Is there any chance a wireless connection would have a better SQ if it worked? Worth experimenting?


Unlikely; wireless is usually less reliable, and I don’t recall anyone here reporting better SQ with it. But no harm in trying.

2. Does anyone have an idea why both Bridge I and II sometimes lose network connection when other devices do not?
The general consensus is that B2 has more reliable connectivity than B1. This was definitely one of the design goals. But something is obviously going on in your situation, and there was another post recently about track skipping with B2. I find that mconnect tends to lose the connection sometimes, but not as often as it seems to happen for you. (I should say that I have a first-gen iPad so I can't upgrade to the most recent version.) I suggest trying one or two other control points just to see if there is a difference. Unfortunately there aren't many good control points for iPad, but even the old PlugPlayer would let you find out if the connectivity problem is due to mconnect or something else in your network. If you happen to have an Android tablet around the house, try BubbleUPnP; most people think it's the best CP and never seems to lose the connection in my setup.
3. A weird phenomenon: the sonic difference between + and - phase settings on the PS Audio remote seems less on the Bridge II than on the Bridge I, but still significant. Anyone else have this?
No idea.
  1. Would I have noticeably superior SQ with the JRiver software rather than the Minimserver/streamer?
Unlikely. MinimServer is generally considered to have very good SQ (I use it). JRiver is a large, complex program; in addition to having to get all the right settings (about which there are many threads here) you would probably be introducing many more Windows processes/threads/whatever compared to Minim, which is small and light. But again, no harm in trying.

I have no problems with the bridge except that I also realized that sometimes the Bridge skips the first song, then starts with the second. When the first track is selected again, it plays it a little longer, then stops again and goes to the second track. When selected a third time the first track plays. I recognized it sometimes when switching from a lower resolution PCM file to DSD.

My conclusion was, that at this time my network (also serving TV) probably had too much traffic (also caused by calling a larger file in terms of DSF at this time).

I never had this issue with smaller PCM files.

jazznut said I have no problems with the bridge except that I also realized that sometimes the Bridge skips the first song, then starts with the second. When the first track is selected again, it plays it a little longer, then stops again and goes to the second track. When selected a third time the first track plays. I recognized it sometimes when switching from a lower resolution PCM file to DSD.

My conclusion was, that at this time my network (also serving TV) probably had too much traffic (also caused by calling a larger file in terms of DSF at this time).

I never had this issue with smaller PCM files.

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