PS audio needs to back up their product. Nothing states louder that if you plug this in and try it, you will keep it. People still have to shell out $6000 to get the unit, so we’re not gonna find a flood of the Internet asking for free power plants.
Paul is either willing to make a fist plant to the ground that his products work great rather then just use a pair of multimeter‘s and the power plant itself as the primary test equipment.
Do you appreciate how bogus that looks to an outside person to use the gear itself to tell you the gear is working as advertised?
So many of the comments on Out of Thin Air by Don Grusin
are grossly out of line…and the things they accuse Paul of
is slander if not out right character assasination…
Why won’t Amir first contact Paul with regards to what he is about
to review…
OK: don’t want to derail the P12 discussion too much but I’ve always auditioned before purchase (either at my place or at a retailer). Let us not pursue this line further…
Hey Reg19
The whole purpose of PS Audio’s home trial originated for
all of us to try their products…that includes you…and should
the particular PS Audio product not suit you…the small loss
that might be incurred if you choose to return the item is more
than offset by the many that do decide to keep the unit in question.
Don’t be a dummy and miss out on something that could very well
take your system to a whole new level…
I did that starting around 2006 with PS Audio Quintessence and
Soloist line conditioners…these guys never went back but found
a new home with me…so it has been with my journey going from
P5 to P12 to P15…none of these were ever returned for lack
of satisfaction…Ops forgot to add proud owner of a DSD…!!
So don’t miss out b/c of a mistaken preconception that you might
cause Paul and PS Audio a minor loss by returning an item…
They have already calculated that into their business model…
Wow, just watched that. I dont own that one. I have a few Octave records. Very well done. Super recordings. The first comment he made about the noise being pushed to the high band, I specifically remember the 2014 Ted video describing how DSD DACs work, or should I supposed to work. If his cheap dacs dont drop that noise, too bad for the dac. That is how DSD works. What a joke.
The comments on the noise going to PCM, I have no clue if he is right or wrong. Is that an issue with DSD to PCM overall or was there a mistake? I dont know enough. I buy it for DSD not for PCM so frankly I dont care. If I want to hear the PCM I will stream it. I pretty much only buy DSD due to high res streaming is there for most of these.
Then the comments on the music itself…please. keep your mouth shut on your opinion of music. Thats not what people go to your site for.
I suppose I am trying to understand your intent. If you can’t audition one locally, and you seem to be inclined to not order one to find out in your home “And I don’t feel it is fair for me to order one to find out in my home”, then where’s your passion coming from? It doesn’t seem likely you’re going to be a customer for the PP product line.
I am prefacing my statement by stating that my PERSONAL view is that there is a place for BOTH measurement AND listening. That there IS a place for blind testing (and double blind testing), but even that has a bunch of fallacies if the equipment under test is not familiar to the listener PRIOR to the commencement of the test. It is also my OPINION that measurements will tell you a lot, but it will not tell you everything, as it is quite conceited to think that our current state of technology is able to measure everything possible that affects sound. Only now, more than 50 years later, is our current technology able to show/prove things that Einstein surmised long ago but could not prove - and there’s still many things we are yet to be able to prove OR disprove with technology.
Ok, here is what I really want to say. The thing I don’t like about ASR and its crowd is the harp and espouse that “audiophiles” have too much “expectation bias.” That audiophiles EXPECT to hear something, so their brain interprets something out of nothing.
I do believe that the brain plays an integral part in what we “hear,” since what we hear (or think we hear/don’t hear) happens to a greater degree in the brain than in the ear - all our ears do is generate the signal, and our brains have to interpret what is going on with the signal. I have stated my views elsewhere on this (psychoacoustics - the tritone paradox is an example).
So my problem with ASR and their claims of “expectation bias” is that the pendulum swings both ways. As much as they claim audiophiles create differences that aren’t there, THEIR brains also swing the other way.- THEY EXPECT NO DIFFERENCE, SO THEY HEAR NO DIFFERENCE, EVEN IF THERE ARE DIFFERENCES, BECAUSE THE BRAIN IS SIMPLY NOT ALLOWING FOR THE INTERPRETATION OF THE SOUND. It’s the proverb - you hear what you want to hear (and don’t hear what you don’t).
You can always order a regenerator and try it out in your home for 30 days. If you dont like it you can return it by just paying the freight back. I dont know of many other places you can do that. Try it at the new car dealership.
That should be all of the proof you need. You will be able to tell the difference immediately if you have a good feel for your system beforehand.
Enjoy the music!
Step 1. Check out the brands Amir’s business sells
Step 2. Check out measurements of some of that gear
Step 3. Decide if Amir is a cult leader, a nutjob, a hack, or a conman.
Even if he has the best of intentions, his methods and conclusions are so amateur and full of holes (you can judge imaging listening to a single mono speaker ) that he’s totally useless.
There is objectivism, subjectivism, something in between and finally, there is incompetence. #QAmir belongs to the latter.
If he followed the scientific method, his results/conclusions would be worth discussing.
@Brian, except upon purchase a trial with free return was offered, delays were encountered with partnering equipment so the P15 was held in “reserve”. On occasion fellow forum members post that free returns are available. I just thought I’d share my experience. For me words count, commitments matter, it is a basis of trust. I understand your position and your right to hold that position. Mine addresses meeting one’s commitments. To engage PSA I had to go public, Paul even offered to step in publicly on the forum but was silent in my experience. I’m okay with that and have moved on regarding PSA equipment. I’m not implying others have the same or similar experience, I’d like to think not.
For you see Jedi that the equipment which Paul or any
recognized designer manufacturer is based on measurements
in combination with auditioning prior to going to market…
Back in the 50s-60s Avery Fisher violinist with NY Symphony
Avery Fisher Hall would pull a sample from production runs to audition the sound quality to hear if it matched up to what he knew as
a musician…if not the production line would stop to correct problems.
Fisher’s FM tuners were use for fm broadcast frequency accuracy.
Avery Fisher’s equipment very highly regarded for it’s sound quality.
Also very expensive in it’s day…ASR would likely have had a field
day with Fisher.
Gear cannot be designed and put into testing without numbers
measurements…however it is the auditioning…listening that finally
places the stamp of approval to go ahead with production…
Measure …listen…remeasure …listen …the two go hand in hand.
Drop one …you loose the other…
Yes it does. But measuring w/o knowing what you are measuring for is not good science. Your example of measure listen measure … listen is a great example Measure what? depends what you are doing right? moved speaker measure freq response. etc… He measures what ? I keep making this point. His measurements are basically showing that this DAC is .00001 better in this one area than that one. Lets rank them now. Just does not make any sense to me. Evaluating equipment, and apparently music is so much more.
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) that he’s totally useless.