High Definition Tape Transfer

This has been an interesting exchange. I may chime in about RVG later, but for now I’d like to add a comment about what folks may be hearing in DSD256 vs. DXD (352.8kHz 24-bit PCM). First, I fully endorse the notion that Pure DSD256 is the finest sounding audio format we currently have available to us. It is just observationally closer to what the microphones hear than any other format. But, my listening experience also has convinced me that many of the differences we hear are related to how our equipment handles the digital signal stream, whether PCM or PDM (the format that includes DSD).

The hardware and the algorithms that decode the digital stream vary for piece of gear to piece of gear. Some do better handling the PCM stream, others the PDM (DSD) stream. Some convert everything to PDM as part of their internal processing, as is the case with my Playback Designs MPD-8 DAC (circa 2019).

Because there are so many variables, I’m going to limit my comments below just to Bob Witrak’s HDTT releases:

Bob releases some Pure DSD256 files which were converted to DSD256 directly from 2-track tape using an Emerging Technologies analog-to-digital converter (ADC). He then releases the resulting DSD256 file without any PCM processing. It is Pure DSD256 from the analog tape. These are frequently the best sounding files HDTT releases. He will additionally convert these files to various flavors of PCM (96kHz, 192kHz, and 352.8kHz) to meet market demand. Most of these are jazz recordings because he has more success finding clean sounding jazz source tapes that can be released without further post-processing. For me, these are the “Gold Standard” among the HDTT catalog.

But I am a classical music lover. And I love his catalog of classical recordings, with some of the greatest recordings ever made. So, what happens here?

Many of the classical source tapes need work. Not all – but the tapes that can be released without some post-processing are the exceptions, even the direct dubs from the studio masters. So, Bob starts as he always does: a DSD256 transfer of the source tape. Then it gets converted in the Pyramix Digital Audio Workstation software to 352.8kHz/32-bit PCM (“DXD”) for clean-up. The type of cleanup and the software tools used in doing this will vary depending on what work is needed to bring the final product up to Bob’s standards. Usually the issue is background noise that needs to be filtered. But sometimes it is pitch, sometimes a bit of frequency balance adjustment here or there. This is all done by ear to Bob’s tastes. If the project requires some particularly intensive post-processing help, the work may get outsourced to the very capable John Haley, a restoration magician if ever there was one. Again, the work is all by ear.

Once a final PCM edit master has been completed, the file is ready for publishing in any of the various formats released by HDTT: 352.8kHz/24-bit (DXD), 192kHz, 96kHz, DSD64, DSD128, DSD256. The web page for the release ALWAYS tells you whether the file has been post-processed in DXD. If it is Pure DSD, the page will clearly state that.

Now…, why am I going into all this long detail? So that this next statement may make some sense.

In my primary system, from the various HDTT releases, I always hear what I consider to be the most accurate music reproduction when I listen to the edit master. If the edit master is Pure DSD256, then that’s the one. But if the edit master is a DSD256 transfer that has been post-processed in DXD, then it is the DXD file. Heard through my Playback Designs MPD-8, the edit master DXD file will sound better than the DSD256 file that Bob has created from that DXD edit master file.

Why? Two reasons: (1) one fewer file conversion, there are always artifacts; and (2) my DAC is going to convert the DXD file into DSD256 automatically and it does a better job converting from DXD to DSD than does the Pyramix software Bob uses.

So, for me, in my system, the DXD edit master file will sound better that the HDTT provided DSD256 file.

On the other hand, in my wife’s office system, using a Teac 508 DAC, the HDTT provided DSD256 file sounds better. Why? Different DAC, different internal hardware, different algorithms. The Teac DAC is optimized for playing DSD.

All of this is just to say: everything we hear is SYSTEM DEPENDENT. I believe DSD256 is objectively superior in sound quality to PCM. But what we actually hear in our systems is system dependent, not absolutes.

And kudos to @dchang05 for making his observations abundantly clear: in his Grimm MU2, the sound of DSD is better than the sound of PCM. My guess is that the DAC is optimized to play DSD. And what a great place to be if one has to choose!

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Excellent post.

Cheers.

This explains a lot, and I was not dreaming of what I’m hearing. Thanks Rushton! :wine_glass:

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Also in my system using the PS Audio MK2 DAC, DSD256 whether edited with DXD or not, sounds better than 24/352k probably because it is optimize for DSD, after all it’s a direct stream DAC. PCM does not sound bad, but does not sound as analog or natural. I would also like to mention that the DSD256 mastered from a turntable by HDTT also cannot match the fidelity of DSD256 mastered from 2 channel analog tape, but in my system, music directly mastered in DSD256 still is my favorite as the ultimate in digital sound.

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This new DSD256 release from HDTT is one of the most analog sounding files I have yet. Makes my DSD64 version sounds so much like a CD (in a bad sense). The fullness, the presence, the dimensionality, it’s all there in spades, especially after the Blue Sky update on my MK2 DAC.

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I just bought Judy Garland at Carnegie Hall as a Christmas present for myself, one of the best I’ve ever received! I read your review and John Haley’s technical notes. One thing missing from the review is the fact that the album won a 1962 Grammy for Best-Engineered - Non-Classical. Yeah, I know that award can get political and given to people who might should have been passed over, but I think this was one that really deserved it. Everything you (and John) said in your review regarding the work that went into creating a true concert experience at Carnegie resonates with my listening, but I think what might have tipped the award in their favor was the realism of her voice. I could hear every nuance in a way I’d never before. Her performance of “I Can’t Give You Anything But Love” was chilling in how she literally “rewrote” the song in that performance - I have never felt that level of meaning. I really think the magic was in capturing the reverb of the hall in the orchestra, but pulling her presence forward to allow these nuances to come through.

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Positive Feedback: Recent Finds, No. 27 - HDTT Recent Releases

I’ve been on a bit of an audio hiatus, but I got back in the saddle to write up my thoughts on ten albums recently released by HDTT. The article is now published at the link above. Enjoy.

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Now also posted, for those with an interest… It is a stunningly good transfer.

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I just posted this review to the HDTT site, regarding their recent release of Frank Sinatra & Nelson Riddle’s 1958 recording Only the Lonely.

With such a ubiquitous voice, it is easy to overlook the sounds going on around Old Blue Eyes. I have long thought these arrangements by Nelson Riddle are some of the best he ever did, but this particular mastering of the album showed me how it wasn’t only Nelson accompanying Frank, but Frank making Nelson’s arranging skills come alive, to the point I almost forgot Frank was there (not really, but you get the picture). The perfection of this recording, of every instrument in its proper place, the balance between singer and orchestra, so beautifully rendering the depth of colors captured during one of Sinatra’s personal favorite recordings, in this HDTT project, came to my ears as never before.

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HDTT currently has a 20% Off Winter Sale ongoing.

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For those who enjoy HDTT’s releases, here is my take on eight of their recent releases…

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Okay, here is a bit of a reality check for you… This new release of the classic RCA Living Stereo Pops Caviar by HDTT is a transfer from an early stamper Shaded Dog LP. The HDTT release sounds cleaner, with greater clarity and resolution, than the RCA released SACD. While I often find that the HDTT releases sound better than the labels’ own commercial releases, this comparison, to me, is fascinating. It is a vivid demonstration of what we all know happens to tape over time. But often we don’t get such an immediate comparison.

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This conversation led to a longer article in Positive Feedback PLUS FREE DOWNLOAD TRACKS for comparison listening – courtesy of Bob Witrak.

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And the most recent rant today is about audiophiles’ obsession with “master tapes”. I’d love to hear your thoughts.

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A good read. Your thesis is certainly correct.

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My most recent set of reviews of recent HDTT releases is now posted:

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While I often find that the HDTT releases sound better than the labels’ own commercial releases

I was looking for the right place to post something I experienced last nigh, so this is perfect. I am a really big fan of women… OK, that shouldn’t really come as a surprise, but my favorite part of their body is their voice, which might be a bit different than for many others. In seriousness, I love love love female vocals in recordings. My brother, also an audiophile, sighs and asks, “Do you EVER listen to any guy recordings?” I do, but not nearly as many as women. So once in a while I do a new search for “best audiophile female voice recordings” and recently came across Kay Starr. Being big into jazz and Broadway-type singing, I was surprised I wasn’t aware of her. But she is really good - from a talent and expression standpoint. I’m not yet putting her in my audiophile VOICE group, but the recording I listened to last night (twice and selected tracks more) is quickly in my top ones for overall recording quality.

Released in 1960 “Movin’ on Broadway” (Qobuz / Apple Music) is truly an exciting recording from many angles - authenticity of sound, very forward-thinking approach to soundstage (maybe just a bit too spread), and great arrangements and performance. One track that blew me away is “You’re Just in Love” which features a very good polyphonic duet. I checked the credits for who it was who sounded so much like her, did some searching, but my initial hunch was probably right: it was overdubbing her singing with herself. However they did it, there didn’t seem to be any loss of sound quality. Probably the track that was best for determining the audio quality of her voice is “The Party’s Over.” Phenomenal expressiveness.

So here’s why I posted that in the HDTT topic: it’s not in their catalog, and I think it really should be. I’m waiting…

PS: here’s how my mind works - I saw the image below in her Wikipedia article and wondered, with that acronym surrounding the microphone, whether a little dyslexia might rearrange the first two letters in an interesting way.

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Bob Witrak’s releases are often the result of serendipitous finds of source tapes. These come from collectors all across the globe. If you can find a source tape from circa 1960…

OK, I’ll keep my eyes open, but I think the last time I saw a reel-to-reel tape (aside from the few I have myself) was when I worked in radio in the 1980s.

Huray! The IPI catalog of Pure DSD256 transfers from the master tape is back at HDTT. These are just a few of my favorites…

This note is no longer the case, thankfully! Jonathan Horwich changed his mind and notified Bob Witrak just this weekend. The link will once again take you to a full listing of available albums.

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