Friend you are over the line…
Seems like you like to argue a lot…Let it go!!
Move on to better things…
Wow! I feel like I’m at a virtual philosophy class. It’s wonderful to see how many thoughts a simple confession that a preamp can make a SQ difference in an audio system can generate.
I just wish we could be sitting around stevensegal’s table with good drinks and food and, as the Brits say, sort it all out with the mates. We could make it a potluck. I could bring my world-famous Cuban black bean soup. It really is irresistible.
If consumed in sufficient quantities, it’s guaranteed to set a limit on how long the live thread would go. Unless, of course, you’re hispanic and enjoy herd immunity. Or, you really want to relive the camp fireside scene from Blazing Saddles. Either way, we’d be wearing masks, wouldn’t we?
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Yo Momma…Yo Momma’s Momma!
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Interesting thread to follow as I am looking at the Freya+ as well since my DSD DAC connects directly to the amplifier. So it was cool to read Darren’s explanation on S/N as well as others on SQ.
I’ve never owned any tubes equipment but even Paul is now a convert (using tubes in the input stage) so the Freya+ seems like a good first step?
But when wife learned about the price of the Schiit unit she was skeptical about its reliability. And more so, she said something like “if you are going for a tube amplifier get one that has more tubes…”. So I showed her a picture of a PrimaLuna, she goes, “now that’s better!” Speaking of which, are there many members here running a EVO 400 Pre? (It will connected to a First Watt J2.)
Still in the midst of COVID times I originally thought I should limit my spending… thankfully I live in an apartment and don’t have to worry about building a deck! 
Not everything is about you. 
That is not my Subjective Experience 
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My mother is no longer alive…
So’s mine, but iffn’ you ain’t hep to the jive, as they used to say in the 1930’s, you might want to research my diss, which is circa 1970 or so.
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It has multiple meanings I am not interested in figuring out which you meant to convey.
I was alive at the time, and my brother learned the Dozens from his Army buddies, and I learned it from him, so I only know one meaning. It can do double duty as insult and humor.
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The EVO400 didn’t sound that great with my XA60.5’s. Pretty much on at with DSS direct (maybe a bit more space… but no dramatic differences). With the BHK pre on the other hand, the amps have never sounded this good!!!
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Yet even how one positions themselves to enjoy the experience, from an artistic or intellectual perspective, that very positioning, that very vantage point, is itself a subjective positioning.
The word subjective means “based on or influenced by personal tastes, feelings or opinions”. The key word being “personal”. If you prefer a more intellectual or analytical approach, that is itself a subjective positioning because it is “personal”. If one prefers a more artistic, less intellectual more feeling centered approach, that also is subjective because it is “personal”.
Essentially, once anything enters the gate of your mind, except in very rare circumstances or states of consciousness, it instantaneously becomes heavily influenced by personal, subjective forces. Even something simple like “is it raining” is heavily influenced by subjectivity. Even if we empirically agree that it is raining, the determination of whether or not that’s a good thing is also very subjective.
It’s extremely rare in human consciousness to see something as it actually is with zero subjective influence. It’s simply not how we are wired as an animal species.
It’s also worth noting that the debate between “intellectual” or “artistic”, that delineation, that division between the two, is something invented by thought. In truth, there is no division between those opposites, they are part of a greater tapestry.
We like to think that science is objective. But it’s only partially so. What science discovers is heavily influenced by the capacity of the brain to perceive what it finds. The core perception, the root of understanding, is very subjective, no matter how objective the observer may think they are. It’s less about what we see, but rather who is doing the seeing. What is seen will always be limited by the capacity of the eyes that are seeing it.
Perhaps, more succinctly, experience colors perception.
We all have our mental models for how the world revolves around us. That model is a massively complex decision tree we all process on-the-fly – and that decision tree is built through experience and preferences that have accumulated over time.
The objective truth is only as accurate as the accumulation of experience for the person experiencing it. It’s why some say ignorance is bliss.
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This is merely an issue of nomenclature. Perhaps you would be more comfortable with intellectual/emotional v. intellectual/subjective.
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I’m saying it’s all one in the same. That the mind which perceived it is inherently influenced by personal opinions. It matters not how one divides it up, or divides it all.
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Just like the blind men describing what they imagined the shape
of an elephant to be…all were vastly different…but none the less
one same elephant…
If one defines everything a human does as subjective, all acts are inherently subjective. Given this, any ensuing discussion as to whether listening to music is subjective is not very interesting, to put it mildly.
Thus I suggested the discussion be of thought v. emotion.
Sane play, just different names for the actors 
Thought and emotion are one movement, only the mind trieds to divide them up.
Even your wish to reduce the subject to thought vs emotion is itself a subjective directive. As long as we are in human form, it is very difficult to escape the umbrella of human subjectivity. It’s possible, but exceedingly rare. Changing subjective/ objective into thought/ emotion does very little to alter the game afoot. All it does is use words that you, entirely subjectively, prefer 
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There are no facts in dancingsea’s philosophy. Because of that, he can never be wrong…
As I previously observed, once you defined everything a human does as subjective, all acts are inherently subjective - which gets one nowhere.
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