It’s a machine cry for help, I think…
brodricj said There shouldn't be a defective anything onboard after it completes QA at the factory.No, there shouldn't, but as Dirk said -- stuff happens.
As I recall, none of the beta testers experienced the number and severity of issues that you are having. It’s the combination of so many things that makes me believe you really have a bad unit.
I thought maybe the touchscreen had entered some sort of calibration mode that might offer some tweaking of the touch sensitivity of the screen.
I have given up on trying to interact with the machine once it starts playing a disc, it’s a matter of sitting and listening to everything from beginning to end. I have noticed that immediately before each and every DSD64 track begins playing there is “click…click click” sound (3 clicks, with a very short pause between the 1st and 2nd clicks). It’s not bothersome, but it’s something that could be finessed…unless the clicks are put there in the mastering of the disc for some purpose? I don’t hear these clicks with PCM sources.
All functional issues aside, the sound of the DMP isn’t really exciting me that much, certainly not as much as others elsewhere are reporting. Sure it sounds OK, but not that much more OK than my other options. The marketing of it certainly tempted me into buying it, but the marketing of it doesn’t tempt me to keep it. Time will tell. If it needs to be returned to the skunk works for autopsy then so be it. Cross that bridge later if needed.
I should now acquaint myself with the DMP beta tester reports.
For some reason, that forum topic was deleted.
clothes pen said ....One of my favorite demo cds is So by Peter Gabriel...Indeed So. Peter Gabriel was a ground breaker with the music video genre. Flashbacks of 2 naked dancing chickens in one of his early music videos always cracks me up. There is a DVD of Peter Gabriel music videos in my collection and the sound quality of many of the tracks on the disc is very good (although the video fidelity is poor).
I agree that I think you have a defective unit. I don’t have those clicks with DSD, or the screen issues or remote issues you are having.
It’s true that for some reason (I really don’t understand “break-in” in these sorts of units but do know it happens from my own experience) the unit doesn’t sound nearly as good as it will when fresh and new. In fact it took imo over 500 hours for it to really come into its own, gradually. Now with several months of use the unit is excellent sounding. But if I had the functionality problems you are experiencing I would have sent it back for a checkup if not a full return.
brodricj said I have noticed that immediately before each and every DSD64 track begins playing there is "click....click click" sound (3 clicks, with a very short pause between the 1st and 2nd clicks).Hearing one click is common -- it happens on my system. I have never heard more than one, however; does this suggest that your unit is having a hard time accessing the file??
JM said For some reason, that forum topic was deleted.The original topic for DMP beta was closed after version 1.94 of the firmware was released and a new topic opened. I think that 1.94 thread is still around -- at least it was until fairly recently.
JM said For some reason, that forum topic was deleted.The DMP beta thread is still here, and the most recent post is January 11. Click
At this point, I encourage posting in other threads however.
I thought he was looking for the bug forum topic, which still had items in there that ha not been resolved with 1.94. That one had been deleted, I thought.
magister said The original topic for DMP beta was closed after version 1.94 of the firmware was released and a new topic opened. I think that 1.94 thread is still around -- at least it was until fairly recently.Correct. Here is the 1.94 thread: click
I’m not sure if I’m doing something wrong here, whether this is an expected finding, or unexpected finding.
I am playing an SACD on DMP. I2S and coax is going to DSJ, AES/EBU is going to my reference DAC.
- DMP setup: SACD mode > RedBook CD.
With DSJ set to I2S input, playback is DSD64 1 bit.
With DSJ set to coax input and reference DAC set to AES/EBU, both show PCM 176.4 24 bit flag detected but no music is playing.
- Now, change DMP setup: SACD mode > Stereo SACD
With DSJ set to I2S input, playback is DSD64 1 bit.
With DSJ set to coax input and reference DAC set to AES/EBU, both show PCM 176.4 24 bit flag detected but no music is playing.
Q1. When DMP is set RedBook CD, why is the DSJ playing DSD64 1 bit? There is no difference in playback whether SACD mode is set to Stereo SACD or RedBook CD over I2S.
Q2. When DMP is set RedBook CD, why is the PCM 176.4 24 bit flag being detected by both DAC but neither has sound?
Q3. When DMP is set to Stereo SACD, why is the PCM 176.4 24 bit flag being detected by both DAC but neither has sound?
You cannot change modes when the disc is still inserted. Otherwise, nothing changes. Make the change you want, then insert the disc, and you should have the result you wish.
When Playing DSD, you get DSD on the I2S output and no audio the Coax output. That is correct behavior.
Brodericj - The clicks always sounded/seemed to me like a DAC searching for the proper sample and bit rate. If multiple digital sources are connected and any of them output clock info independent of playback state, it could be confusing.
As an example of what I’m positing here - I have the PS Phono Pre attached to the DSJ via coax. In between disc sources on the DMP, the DSJ display will briefly show “24/96” independent of what the discs are. I’m guessing the DSJ is seeing and switching instantly to the Phono Pre’s 24/96 output, as it is right there when I put needle to the groove. But I haven’t been hearing the clicks when going back (though I haven’t necessarily been playing SACDs).
[UPDATE: Yep, still clicks when playing SACDs. I’m guessing it has to do with switching between straight DSD and PCM/upsampling modes.]
Do you have a DS DAC connected via I2S along with your reference DAC? Either of the DACs or the DMP might have trouble sorting that out. Have you tried with only one DAC connected?
I used to have the clicking issue, (though not usually three distinct clicks) but have not noticed it lately. Not sure why, except, as mentioned, not playing SACDs. Have to check.
Understood, you can’t change DMP settings on the fly like I was attempting.
I’m stumped how I can get I2S into my reference DAC, it’s I2S input is RJ-45, not HDMI. I guess it doesn’t matter as it won’t decode the SACD at full resolution without the secret handshake with the DMP.
My DMP shipped will have it Monday, whish me luck!
thanks to all for sharing impressions…I am very excited about this new product, it seems really “new” and not just a PWT mkII.
I would like to ask if anybody has anything to comment about the “mechanical” performance of the new transport vs the PWT.
My point: while I dearly love my PWT, the only aspect that I feel is not quite up to its lofty prestational standards is the drive itself…while I would not deem it noisy or anything like that, when working there’s a tad more mechanical “whiiiiiirrrrrr” than I would like. (interestingly , with some discs more than with some others).
Is the Cd-drive still the same?
IMO the Oppo drive used in the DMP is superior to the disc drive in the PWT. Works more quietly, gives the impression of more stability and a better build. You’d be pleased.
Agreed. The drive in DMP is a beautifully built Japanese mechanism that is really excellent. The PWT uses a lower cost DVD ROM drive. While cheesier feeling, it is still quite reliable. But definitely, DMP’s drive feels and performs with high quality.
thanks very much for the answers…even if it means that I have to start setting aside the money for the DMP! It’ll take time before it reaches Italy, anyway.
But the (yes, Paul you’re right) very reliable but somewhat noisy-ish drive of the PWT is really the only thing that sometimes bothers me.
Anyway it’s a wonderful unit (listening to it right now) and if the DMP is the marked advancement everybody seems to agree about…it must be stellar.