Roon 1.8 Announcement

I did all I possibly could to not buy Roon lifetime. Honestly, for library management, I’m quite happy with iTunes. But the other non-iTunes Mac options, all of which I own (Audirvana, Amarra, etc), fell flat. Roon simply functions better than the rest, iOS remote, etc… much better. And it makes HQPlayer usable which yields great SQ. The magazine metadata stuff in Roon is ok, I read it sometimes - but could easily live without. In the end, Roon makes my local and streaming libraries manageable to a very high degree. And when the library functions well, it makes the rest of the system much much better. And given what I’ve spent on gear over the years, the Roon lifetime is a bargain.

It did take me a year to adapt my brain to Roon, to figure out how to organize stuff in a way that makes sense to me. I did not find Roon intuitive, I really had to work at it. Now, while we don’t speak the exact same language, we speak well enough to get along with a translation app.

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All the devices in our house are Roon Ready, so I put the app on my wife’s phone, told her to choose the device she wants to play through, choose what she wants to listen to and press play. She’s a technophobe and it took about a minute to explain and she loves it. I’m nt sure what they can do to make it easier to use.

All of that was easy. It’s Roon’s library management system that I found off putting for a year. It’s only once I figured out their tagging system that I was able to organize my library in a way that made sense to me.

I don’t bother with tags at all.

That’s so funny, without tags I wouldn’t have paid for Roon!

the only tag i’ve added is “CD RIP” (which should be self-explanatory), just so I can keep track of local files vs streaming content.

(Sometimes i find it maddening that Roon won’t acknowledge that an album in my library is on my hard drive. Won’t even show it. Only displays the streaming versions, even if those streaming versions aren’t in my library. Grrrr.)

Otherwise I do use playlists. Dinner party (remember those?), audio test tracks, jam songs, romance, etc…

Anyway, what are some tagging examples you use?

Coming from the iTunes world, I became accustomed to using playlists to organize my albums. In Roon, I have many tags, DSD Jazz, Miles Davis DSD, Miles Davis PCM, etc etc etc across many artists and genres. Many Grateful Dead tags regarding certain groups of shows. On and on.

In iTunes playlists, with one click, you can switch between “Artist”, “Album” and “Song” views. Roon doesn’t allow for that. A playlist is for songs only, not albums. I had never used tags before, thus didn’t explore the Roon tagging system for at least a year. Their Focus system doesn’t speak to me, seems like a fancy mess. I like to pick a particular folder for the mood I’m in, and scroll through until something leaps out at me.

With Roon tags, I’m able to essentially create folders for albums. Put a bunch of albums in a particular tag/folder, and then peruse that tag/folder. Roon doesn’t call them folders, but that’s how I utilize tags. Once an album becomes chosen, I then listen to the “favorite” tracks only. I rarely listen to complete albums unless I specifically like all the songs. “Favorites” is curation in my book, and those self created picks represent lots of time listening and evaluating. It’s my favorite Roon feature.

And it’s that combination of being able to organize albums into folders via tags, being able to play only the favorites on a particular album, having a rock solid application/ iOS remote that also puts a pretty face on HQPlayer - all of that is why I bought a lifetime license to Roon. The meta data is not that important to me as I don’t like to read while listening to music. I only need simple things from Roon, and it does those simple things extremely well. Far far better than any other Mac based music player/ library software.

I honestly wish Roon would just relax about making new versions. Just give us a few skin theme choices, and focus on small tweaks and continued reliability. No need to reinvent the wheel!

I lamented Roon for the first year. Complained far and wide that it was too expensive. That it had mediocre sound quality, etc etc. Then one day a lightbulb went off and I figured out the tagging system. And suddenly we were in love, the birds were singing, the sun was shining, and all was right. Bought the lifetime license, as lovers do.

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What are you using as your playback program in lieu of Roon?

I’m a five year Roon subscriber. I’m using several different playback methods.

Roon has icons lower left, here showing the first disc is in my library and on Qobuz and the next one is Qobuz only.

When I click on the first one is shows me where the library version is stored.

Choose an artist, click discography.

The focus on library and it excludes the disc lower left that is only on Qobuz.

BluOS when I’m streaming or playing hi-res downloads, Apple Remote when playing ripped files from my own CD collection.

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I use Roon, Aurender Conductor, Bryston MPD, and Audirvana.

I also have the most recent JRiver MC update, but rarely use it.

Lots of choices.

So do you mean this literally, or practically? Because I add albums to playlists all the time. (Although really, it’s adding the SONGS from the album. I do get why songs are prioritized, though. If I could remove a song from the album, then the “album” is no longer a part of the playlist.)

But I do get that TAGS work better for ALBUMS (hence my “CD RIP” tag).

This is probably a big difference for us in our listening habits. (I’m reminded me of your thread on wanting to get into vinyl.) I still play records quite a bit, and that’s really an “all or nothing” proposition. No cherry-picking the best tracks with that medium. (I mean, you can, but it’s not practical.) So I’ll generally choose and listen to an entire album.

But picking and choosing tracks, that’s where I use playlists, most definitely.

I will USE tags more than create them. Like the existing genre tags for, say, “Hard Bop” or “Guitar Jazz” or whatever, just to hunt down some similar music.

So, I’m trying to figure out how I might create new tags to use more effectively/enjoyably. For live Grateful Dead stuff, I could definitely see a use – but in reality, I’d probably just wind up searching and filtering. I’ll have to play with it. I don’t have a ton of live shows in my CD/ripped library. (I do, but they are lower-res mp3’s from a friend I got years ago.) Most of it is from tidal/qobuz, so I’m not dealing with an insane amount of content. I’m a deadhead, yeah, but not an archivist.

TOTALLY agree with this!

Practically. The Roon design is that playlists are for songs. Period. There’s no album view. I use playlists also for songs, but in iTunes, I used playlists for album organization. I was flummoxed not being able to do that in Roon. Now I can go to the tag section of Roon, and my albums are neatly organized in their own tag.

For instance, I have an extensive Grateful Dead collection. My favorite group of those live shows are the two Spring 1990 box sets. A group of about 12 shows from that year. In my opinion, this is the band at the height of their powers, Jerry was clean and happy, and the audio quality from those box sets is literally the best ever released, some of the few genuine audiophile quality live Dead recordings. The physical box set sells for $2500 these days on eBay.

In the Tags section of Roon, I have a “Grateful Dead Spring 1990” tag. I go to Tags, swipe through to that tag, and viola, all of those albums. I’m a little leery of 1.8’s vertical scrolling, as 1.7’s side scrolling works very well with my system. I’ve yet to upgrade to 1.8. In 1.7, one swipe gets to an entirely different group of albums/tags, while vertical scrolling is more incremental.

Get your hands on the Spring 1990 box sets if you can. They are no longer in production, and not available for download. They are huge files, like 10GB per show, high res.

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is this the set?

looks like 23 CDs?

Pretty much. There were 2 box sets. Their approach is for limited production that sell out immediately. They went like this:

Spring 1990 Box Set:
• 6 complete shows on 18 discs
• 3/16/90 Capital Center, Landover, MD
• 3/19/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
• 3/22/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, ON, Canada
• 3/26/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
• 3/30/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
• 4/2/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA

Spring 1990 (The Other One) Box Set
•8 complete shows on 23 discs
•3/14/90 Capital Centre, Landover, MD
•3/18/90 Civic Center, Hartford, CT
•3/21/90 Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario
•3/25/90 Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
•3/28/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
•3/29/90 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (featuring Branford Marsalis)
•4/1/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA
•4/3/90 The Omni, Atlanta, GA

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Sweeeeet.

Back in my iTunes days I did buy Go To Nassau from 1980, which i haven’t listened to since bagging those 256k AAC files for Roon/Tidal/Qobuz FLAC, etc… but I remember it being a great show.

I’ll have to bring that one back into the library… it’s not a protected file so I should be able to play it in roon

Playlists have received no love since 1.0 as far as I can tell. I became a lifer at v1.3.

Now that the Roon team is ~40 people, hopefully some of them use playlists and we can get at least some of the basics like usable sorting. Name, number of tracks and length are pretty silly excuses.

How about sort by date added or modified so one can find a newly created list a few days later once the name has faded from memory. Number of tracks and length simply aren’t options I care to apply to playlists.

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I am curious as I don’t have any problem with playlists at all.

What should I call my first playlist - “English child prodigies with no dress sense”?

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