Speaker setup - No image depth

Hi could you add some text :slight_smile:

You have a circle with the text “Correct system location” Do you want me to move the speakers to the wall with the high ceiling?

I have tried it, but my room are to small and I get to close to the windows when I listen.

My room is around 19x14’ and 14’ is to little to move the speakers out and also me

i like this Jose Carreras version of Misa Criolla.

But every room and setup is different,hopefully you find good synergy and can enjoy music with increased depth or not :slight_smile:
I lose 3d and depth fast if I place speakers too wide,though it can still sound good.

Did you also try to move your chair closer to the speakers?

I ask because if you can’t pull the speakers further out for listening for some reason, it also improves things if you care for a relation of speaker/front wall to listener/speaker relation of close to 50:50 or in cases where you can pull speakers out far even up to 70:30. What you currently have is something like 20:80 or even 10:90 (as most have).

I must say that in my experience a setup of 1/4th the price usually sounds better than the more expensive if the better placement relation is used.

So if your speakers are suitable for near field listening, you will probably have better results when moving the speakers closer together and the listening chair also much closer to a triangle roughly.

If gear and speakers are not capable to image also on level or in front of the speakers (fewer are), then this rule is even more of relevance.

Another thing:
A reason why most are impressed by speakers or electronics providing a far back imaging is, because most have small speaker/front wall more impressive and people think they have great imaging, where they just have far back imaging. As soon as those listeners have the chance to pull speakers out much more, things change. Then the (also) forward imaging capability ensures a much larger front to back imaging and intimate ambiance while the equipment just imaging far back just provides a stage more or less at the front wall and a bit beforehand.

If you have a small speaker/front wall distance, depth perception gets worse the bigger the listener/speaker distance is. That’s what you hear.

This is some of the more relevant matters in 35 years of high end experience.

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I hope the PS Speakers will be good. My SET Amp would love a speaker with build in active sub and a easy to drive 8 ohm impedance.

I will not surrender :face_with_head_bandage:

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The diffusers are from PerfectAcustic. Don’t know if there are still in business.

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I am using an album on Tidal, don’t know if its the same

I can’t the tall window is a door leading to the terrace.
In the other end of the room I have two doors leading to other rooms.

I have to move out on the country, only place I can’t afford a bigger place :slight_smile:

just real quick…cardas clear speaker cables gave me more depth than i wanted. might be worth an audition.

How about pulling out just for listening and putting the speakers on gliders (e.g. Herbies big fat gliders)?

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They will be fully passive as far as the last change was communicated. Half of the initial feature characteristics changed meanwhile.

I could do that. But will I not get to close to the back wall?

A year ago the where active in the bass like GoldenEar. But things changes

No, your listener to speaker distance has to get shorter anyway (as your speaker to speaker distance), you can leave your seat where it is…just try it, it’s free of cost until you buy some gliders to do it frequently :wink:

Movin the roughly triangle within the room forth and back then determines tonality and room node behavior. I try to make a quick sketch later.

If you can, try shunmook diamond and pray for me :slight_smile:

It goes under your equipment?
What version are you recommending?
http://www.shunmook.com/hifiproduct_2.html#2

I got very good results, I can share this.
Which one is suitable for your amp and would you get the same result? You need help from someone more knowledgeable than me on this subject.

Yes, it is used under equipment. I am using asr emitter under main unit and ds dac.

A super detailed speaker setup guide Sumiko master set-up process - AudioAficionado.org
Also explained in this video Master Set & Rational Speaker Placement How To For GREAT SOUNDSTAGE - YouTube

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Someone please correct me as I’m happy to be wrong but…

First reflection point is in front of the speaker at an angle dependent on the source point directionality of the driver. When you toe you’ll be moving this first reflection point. I’d be surprised if the point you’re trying to treat is 90 degree from the speaker; where you currently have treatment placed for the left channel. It’s probably on the door or just after it. You’ll want to be able to move a panel in/out from in front of the glass wherever that point is. Measurements can help here.

Also… there is thought that absolutely everything from speaker front to listening position at slightly above and below tweeter needs treatment. I’m not there yet… I just don’t have enough panels… but, in your situation, you’ll absolutely want to put something in front of the left glass all the way to the listening position. And raise your panels… your tweeters are very directional and, therefore, the reflections are as well… that’s more important than whatever panel is sitting near the floor and the lower portion, probably, not providing much benefit.

Again, as you toe in/out you’ll want to move your panels back / forth, speaker to listening position, to find the most benefit until you’re able to completely fill that space with panels.