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I donât want to be ârightâ here. The most typical for late Miles certainly is also what ELK and you said: ignoring audience, turning his back, playing to the floor.
The âadressing an audience memberâ story is at least multi-cited in books/stories. If itâs true or not, we donât know. Itâs justâŚfrom what is known about his late personality, Iâd not immediately doubt it, but Iâd also like to. I anyhow love to listen to his music. That concert I attended I guess was at the time of the âYouâre under arrestâ album which I extremely rarely listen to (just for musical reasons) 
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I have heard the story before. It may be apocryphal, but is easy to believe.
A remarkably creative musician in any event.
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The story adds to his legend. i have my interpretations; I prefer marveling at the mystery of the artist.
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Itâs funny, we were having a similar discussion this morning over coffee.
I do all possible to avoid conversations about the negative aspects of the personalities of celebrities whose creative work I enjoy. True or not, the stories are always out there: Sinatra was mean, Carson was mean, Woody Allen wasâŚwhatever.
Who canât be criticized? Iâd rather just remember Sinatra, for example, as my favorite male singer. In fact, now that Iâm thinking of him, Iâm going to listen to one of the most perfect albums ever recorded by anyone: âOnly The LonelyââŚ
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Agreed. I admire them for the creative artists that they are or were.
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Iâm not trying to be right either, but the story just has not rung true for me. . . itâs just doesnât fit with the character and nature of Miles that I have built up as my own estimation after reading about and listening to Miles for the last four decades plus. Itâs a great story, I just donât believe itâs a true one. Others can draw their own conclusions!
I would trust you more than myself hereâŚyou for sure read more and have been more into it.
Me, too. I claim no insight.
Well, I appreciate the trust of both of you. It could be a true story, just to me it doesnât ring true, especially for Miles of 1960, a few years after he had his head bashed by NYC police, and who was trying to be as cool and aloof as he could be. . . . It is a great story, playing with the irony of the refused request being honored .
Right now
âSpinning Song: Duck Baker Plays the Music of Herbie Nicholsâ
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Agree. Used to say I always wanted to meet John Lennon. As I move into my âmatureâ years I donât think that would have ever been pleasant. He seemed, often âprickish.â
I will say, I do miss the fact that we didnât get to know an old John Lennon. He might have been a better man. I try to judge the art and not the artist.
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This has long been a debate among musicologists, especially when one is faced with examples such as Richard Wagner. I am in the appreciate the art camp, but fully understand how others reach a different conclusion.
Thanks for the insight on Miles Davis.
Me, too. No matter if Wagner or a Rapper in jail, music counts for me, even acting counts in case of an actor faced with âme tooâ matters.
But if we think further it probably has limits. A magnificent Symphony Hiltler would have composed? A great painting of a right wing politician? Acting of someone who tortured people? Such people could never be emotionally creative? But what if?
Interesting to think about where our limit is and why itâs not earlier.
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@RonP - listening to Frank: âSings for Only the Lonelyâ 2018 stereo remix; MQA on TIDAL. My wifeâs Father sang a lot of Frank back in the day. Her father sang at our Wedding - Ava Maria and it made my wife cry, her father was an amazing singer. I loved her folks and Iâm listening to this album thinking of her dad. He has passed over 20 years ago and he was such a great guy. I really miss her folks. They treated my like their son. Thanks for sharing and reminding me of them.
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Quote of the Day. Much food for thought in your statement.
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I love how this thread meanders.
Often forward but certainly never straight
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âŚmy limit depends upon how powerful the person/institution is. Musicians are rarely powerfulâŚand, if so, itâs brief.
Câmon man. Letâs not go here:
But if we think further it probably has limits. A magnificent Symphony Hiltler would have composed? A great painting of a right wing politician? Acting of someone who tortured people? Such people could never be emotionally creative?..
Letâs not be idiotic and put right wing politicians on the same level as Hitler, ok? Or is it okay to put left wing politicians on the same level as Stalin?
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