Thanks, Elk.
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Thanks for posting that @Elk. Always tough to say if media articles are accurate though. The media spin is out of control. Everything needs to be verified.
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Exactly correct, regardless of your sources. I want my conclusions to be be grounded in the facts.
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Roughly 17,000 people have died here (USA) in the last 7 days from the direct result of the virus. That fact that should bring it into the correct light.
I am not expecting the vaccine to be available to the general public before mid summer 2021 and am prepared to stay relatively out of sight until then.
Hopefully the workers that need it most will get it before too many more of them die trying to take care of the naysayers.
C-19 is serious, but much of the reporting has been skewed. That information is readily available.
Dying with C-19 is not the same as dying from C-19. The stats have been spun up, reduced downward, and spun up it again depending on what the "public information spreadersâ want us to see.
But if they didnât get the covid they would still be alive. Hence the cause of death being listed as covid.
His point is, if you have covid but die in a plane crash, well, you get the picture
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Not necessarily true. People have been in car wrecks, died from the crash, and were marked as C-19 deaths. People who have had one foot on a banana peel health wise get C-19 and it takes them out like any flu would. Itâs a numbers ($$) game. Hospitals make enormous amounts of money dealing with Covid cases. Follow the money and you can see the motivations.
I think the one thing here, from what I understand, is that the vaccine was not really ârushedâ through testing. When you have the entire global scientific community focused on this with tons of funding/resources, cool things can happen.
Frankly, yeah, it was fast. But the principles behind how the vaccine was created have been around for a while.
And itâs true, we do not know what side effects there might be a year or two or 10 down the road. But in life, there are no guarantees. (I am painfully aware of this, as my wife died of breast cancer two years ago.) But we also donât know what long-term side effects the virus will have for those who survived it.
I wonder what will make a majority people trust it. Messaging is hugely important. The percentage of people who think that the government is basing its decisions on science is pathetically low in the US and UK. (But in NZ, or Taiwan, etcâŚ, itâs MUCH higher.) Some will take it only if you call it the Trump vaccine. For others, not so much. Some believe in the ACA but think Obamacare is a disaster. And still, there are people who believe the earth is flat. (Iâm sure this part will get deleted.)
The main thing is that itâs for the common good, which I think is hard to get around for many. If we donât have more trust in it (and this means better messaging from the dingleberries in leadership), it might not make much difference and this virus will hound us year after year. There might be a percentage of the population who are vaccinated and wonât get covid, but there wonât be anything to do because there wonât be an economy. Gonna be like Mad Max for a while.
I get a flu shot every year. Iâm healthy, and I donât think Iâm in a risky group. I go to the grocery store fully masked because I assume Iâm walking around asymptomatically, as I assume about everyone else. I will gladly take this vaccine when itâs offered. (Gonna be a while for me, I reckon.)
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I imagine there are 10 of thousands who also die with asymptomatic covid but are not tested.
Do you mean, âasymptomaticâ people who die from Covid?
Source?
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I have a friend who is a cardiologist in Los Angeles. She told me that one of the big hurdles that they must overcome in her very poor neighborhood is the reluctance many people have to take the vaccine when itâs available because some politicians have been and are still spreading fear of the âTrump vaccinesâ.
I think Baldy is saying that among those who die in this timeframe are many people who were never tested, but happen to have covid, and have infected many others.
This is the thing. Itâs not only about the death rate (which is small, granted), itâs about the spread and the overwhelmed hospitals and overwhelmed healthcare staff.
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The thought was put out there to utilize athletes to take the vaccine to show people its safe. Iâm happy they want to take it first. Same story with our former presidents.
The vaccines are being ârun through the FDAâ and the testing is like any other vaccine, but all has been accomplished on an accelerated basis.
The pharmaceutical companies would not have put these tremendous resources into the project but for the governmental funding. Vaccines are not profitable and are thus typically developed slowly, if at all.
No. People who die from other causes (car crash, fall, heart attack, stroke) who do not have symptoms and are not checked but do carry the virus.
So sorry to hear about your wifeâs death.I can only imagine the pain.
My wife had a stroke a year ago and has some lingering effects from it that put her into the extra high risk covid group.
It definitely wasnât the normal testing regimen. Iâll wait until some early testing results come in. Some things are best to be at the back of the line for. This is one of them.
Vaccine development began in March of this year. The vaccines close to being approved in the States have undergone:
- preclinical testing on cells and animals,
- Phase 1 safety trials (give the vaccine to a small number of people to test safety and dosage as well as to confirm that it stimulates the immune system),
- Phase 2 expanded trials (give the vaccine to hundreds of people split into groups, and
- Phase 3 efficacy trials.
If you have information this is not true for the vaccines about to be approved, please let us know.
Here is a great resource for tracking what vaccines are in development and the developmental stages of each: