You had already posted the pictures once. Thanks for sharing. The large cast capacitors, like Duelund saucers, sound great. And I think the speakers sound great. But how much do the Magico cost?
You can’t go wrong with Mundorf components. Jantzen, Milflex, Duelund and Jupiter also have excellent components. Duelund probably has the top class, like a dream car.
Magico’s entry level speakers, the A1’s are $9400 a pair. Their top speaker is the M9, which is $740,000a pair. Their speakers tends towards the least colored, most transparent sounding speakers available. The better the recording, the better they sound.
The crossover with the Duelund capacitors in the photo seems to belong to a Magico M7. Such capacitors can also be expected for almost half a million euros loudspeaker. I also used some Duelund copper-tin and silver capacitors in my crossover. The Duelund capacitors sound very natural. Unfortunately they are not cheap, but they are really good.
Tony Gee also likes to use a Duelund JDM silver capacitor (0.01 µF) as a bypass in the high and mid range in parallel to the main capacitors. I also did this with a 4.7 µF Mundorf Supreme silver-gold-oil capacitor. The sound becomes more open, more
natural and smoother. A very nice improvement. Two Duelund JDM silver capacitors (0.01 µF) cost around €100. I don’t know of a better upgrade for the money. I swapped the smaller 0.47 µF capacitor parallel to my Mundorf ultra resistor for a Duelund JDM copper-tin capacitor. This has a rich, very natural tone. Previously I had an Intertechnik Pure copper capacitor. The Duelund sounds much more realistic and smooth.
Andreas, you are way out of my league on speakers! DIY? I know how to tighten screws around bass units on my old speakers (tight screws help SQ!). These FR30 has no apparent screws need to be tighten. ![]()
Well… I’m not going to do the DIY crossover upgrade myself. So I’m not be able to mix and match each component to my liking and testing every one of them. So… I think it’s kind of a guess.
I’m thinking of letting Tony Gee do it. Although he says the sound signature / character of the speaker will remain.
I really hope so, I just can’t imagine how. Because all of the components will be changed. For better units okey, buy seems to me it will alter the sound nevertheless. (?)
Thank you for explaining what a better streamer can do. Why did you go this route? It’s a pretty expensive upgrade. Especially when you compare it to a cable/duse change. Is it because it’s more balanced now and even those little changes make you happy?
So you think a crossover for me will make a bigger improvement than a better streamer? I know what a fuse and cables can do. If the improvements come close, I will be happy.
The thing I fear a little is, (although I didn’t discuss the exact procedure) I bring the speakers for a crossover upgrade but don’t know what to expect in return soundwise.
Grtz
I bought a pair of Infinity RS3B on the used market for $900. As I changed the crossover and wires and stuffings to better parts, keep in mind the values and measurments of all the crossover parts remain the same, the difference is only in the quality of the parts. The more I change the parts, the more I hear the soundstage starts to form, the fuller more textured the images, the more detail and resolution the presentation, the more real and natural the images and singing voice becomes. It’s really like going from from a midline, mainstream speaker to a truly high fidelity speaker. You can’t believe how much cheap crossover parts muddles the sound of a speaker system. Remember, the music signal goes through each of those parts.
Hello, to your first question Streamer/preamp. Inspired by the forum here, I was excited to have something new. I made a lot of changes and thought that my preamp/streamer was now my weakest link in the chain. Visually, the Marantz link-10n fits better with my AVM MA 8 mono power amplifiers due to its appearance. In terms of sound, it is a bit finer and also more even in sound than the Cambridge Edge NQ. But not much, I thought it made more of a difference. The Cambridge Edge NQ is also a pretty good component. The disadvantage is that the Heos app currently does not have Qobuz integrated. This is how I currently use Tidal for streaming. Honestly, changing a power cord has a bigger impact on the sound than the difference between the two components. It was an expensive upgrade. It was also tempting that there was an exchange offer with Marantz and I received the new price for my old component.
Regarding your second question: What you can expect if you have your crossovers changed. When you visit Tony, you can discuss with him what your wishes are. He will definitely take this into account. I also think you can listen to the speakers when you pick them up. From my experience, Tony is a very nice and patient guy. He has a lot of experience and I think the result will put a big smile on your face. And if you have the opportunity to bring your speakers to Tony, he can work on them perfectly and fine-tune them. This is very different than him simply sending a crossover in exchange.
Tony Gee has compared the sound of most of the capacitors and he takes a lot of time to do it. Don’t ask why I know this.
In my opinion, it took him a very long time to get to know the differences and effects in detail.
He tries these in several positions of a crossover and checks them again with other types. He seems to be very meticulous in figuring out the exact effects. This is also reflected in his detailed capacitor comparison, in which he describes the effects in detail. You wouldn’t believe how many emails I exchanged with him while he was testing the new Clarity Pure and Duelund PP. And I had to wait impatiently to find out which one would be suitable for my project. Even when I made a mixture of two types of capacitors and reported my positive result to him, he picked it up and tested it again himself. No one will try as many capacitors and know the exact differences as well as Tony. You definitely won’t regret it, and you’ll have a hard time finding someone who has more experience in the field. Unlike most people here, you have the opportunity to take your speakers to Tony Gee. You and your speakers are in the best hands there.
As far as I know, Tony’s personal taste is to listen to music with as real a sound as possible and not the typical hi-fi sound. Emotions before annoying exaggerated resolution. As you described it at the beginning, you like the same sound.
Thank you for your response.
My speakers are fairly well designed, as far as my experience goes. Although As far as I can see it is a pretty simple design and could use a upgrade.
I do think they do measure wel. See graph
Grtz
It is not the tuning that is changed. It is the quality of the components. For example, the cement resistors used can be replaced with low-inductance types. The capacitors with higher quality ones. Capacitors and coils also sound different.
Because there are few components and the capacity of the capacitors is small, the costs for an upgrade are still low.
This suggestion may be too “in the weeds”, but you should see additional improvements from ditching the pcb and going point-to-point. Mount components on something like a thicker bakelite board, baltic birch, panzerholz or tonewood of your choice for improved resonance characteristics.
Here’s why most speakers on the market sounds pretty mediocre off the shelf. It’s mostly the cheapo crossovers parts that’s saves the manufacture money, but destroys what the sound the speaker is capable of. And I’m talking about speakers not so cheap to begin with.
Danny can explain, check this out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qsxO0wmbuQ&ab_channel=GR-Research
Good grief. Are you serious? You actually believe what you are saying? I surely don’t.
I’d say it is attention to detail across the board. Certainly some speaker brands cut corners on crossover components. Many also cut corners on cabinetry, going for a look more than sonic integrity. IME just one example of the latter is Wilson Audio, as the improvement in performance attributable to the X material is notable when comparing the Sabrina to the Sabrina X.
Yes, I’m serious, I have tried replacing much higher quality crossover parts, wiring, and stuffing in a speaker and the difference is transformative.
Anyone who believes that cables affect sound should also believe in the sound differences between coils, capacitors, and resistors.
A coil or capacitor is many times longer than a cable.
Sure.
I am certain Vivid saved money on parts for my Vivid Spirits. You most likely know way more about speaker design than they do. Just from watching videos on YouTube.
I stopped paying attention to Danny years ago when he said that he doesn’t need to listen to the changes he recommends, he just knows what they’ll sound like because of his vast experience.
I wouldn’t let him anywhere near any of my speakers.
Maybe Vivid’s and Wilson"s might not need better parts, but I’m talking maybe speaker up to $8k might benifit from these higher quality Mundorf and Duelund parts.


