Yale Final - Impressions

First, for those going from the last official release - PP, these comments are ONLY about Yale Beta compared to Yale Final. This final Yale release holds on to most of what made Yale Beta an improvement compared to PP (in my opinion), but fixed and improved a few things as well.

The most noticeable to me is the treble. Compared to PP, Yale Beta had more energy and detail in the treble, which I felt was needed, BUT the mid-treble was not integrated with the rest of the treble – it wasn’t cut from the same cloth, so to speak – it stuck out at times. Now, almost of the detail and treble energy (which is needed to provide certain detail cues) of Yale Beta is there, but in a more musically natural way.

The midrange tone is also better integrated with the rest giving voices and instruments a beautiful approximation of the real thing.

So far on my system, the overall huge soundstage (recovery of low-level reverberant details) is at least as good as Yale Beta, and I don’t think the soundstage depth has been truncated.

It’s possible that the dynamics are maybe just a hair less exciting, but it’s a close call, and more listening will be needed to tell.

Now to put these comments in perspective, most of these changes from Yale Beta are subtle, but still very enjoyable.

Again, I thank Paul, Ted, and the whole team for providing an unbelievable value in high-end audio!

Focal_Point

Thanks Ted, Paul and the PS Audio team. I called a friend a bit ago, and said “Checkmate, I’m done with digital.”

My backstory:

I was a first year adopter of the Perfectwave DAC, and the Marla and Henk review on 6Moons convinced me to order it sight unseen or heard. I was looking for new digital, and the promise of streaming music off of a NAS stored in our AV closet (no computer) as laid out by the PS Audio videos, was very simplistic and appealing for my new at the time music room.

However with the promise of gapless streaming never realized, and then getting a chance to compare my Perfectwave to other DAC’s at dealer’s and friend’s places, I grew very dissatisfied with it. For example the ARC DAC8 cost around the same amount when it was new, and while it didn’t have the streaming I would of picked it easily in a head to head. The DAC8 was just more musical with better tonality. On the other hand, the Perfectwave did detail better, but it was detail at the expense of musicality it seemed.

I would of long ago walked away from PS Audio, but the used market was atrocious, so I just kept slugging along and upgrading other parts of my system.

Then along came the Directstream and that summer my dissatisfaction with the Perfectwave had hit its peak, I had to make a change. That dissatisfaction left me questioning whether the Directstream could be the right choice. I was looking hard at stuff like the Berkley Alpha2, DCS Debussy, Lampizator, Meitner amongst others. I also had a friend pick up the Bryston BDP, and while I was very familiar with it, I had not had the opportunity to hear it in my system, he gave me that opportunity. Hearing the BDP versus my bridge was a no-brainer though an expensive alternative (3k BDP streamer, 1.5k new digital cord and 2k PC). But now I had my streaming needs covered, and still think the Bryston is better than any physical disc spinner, and only the Totaldac and Aurender streamers are on par or better. The biggest reason I say this is hearing the Bryston BDP in comparison to the DCS Scarlatti transport, BDP wins in a first round knockout.

So with the gapless issue solved, and better sound to boot, I still longed for a new DAC. I was able to visit a forum member in north Dallas who already had the Directstream, and I brought my Perfectwave along to compare head to head. I left there hearing improvements over the Perfectwave, but not enough to convince me it was the way to go. Then 1.2.1 dropped, and based upon all the glowing comments I figured I had to give it a try and at worse with it being such a new product hopefully I could sell it for a better ROI than getting out of the Perfectwave entirely.

The Directstream arrives after shipping off my Perfectwave for the trade-in, and I am quite impressed. It’s musicality was very far ahead of the Perfectwave, and it was certainly now better than the ARC DAC8. But living with it and keeping my ear to the ground, it still didn’t satisfy my long-term digital desires. I was still reading about Debussy’s, Lampizator’s, Bricasti’s, Berkeley Reference DAC’s and thinking about what it would take to get there, that next level of digital performance. Through friends I was able to hear consistently hear their MSB Diamond DAC, DCS Scarlatti, DCS Vivaldi, and Totaldac D1-twelve’s, these DAC’s poked holes into the Directstream’s sound. Holes that once open are hard to close.

Then came Pike’s Peak, and it went a long way to solving one of my hang-ups, the Directstream could now rock, but it went in the wrong direction in so many other areas. Still I kept it loaded as its strengths barely outweighed the negatives in my mind. During this time period I had the opportunity to directly compare the Directstream against the DCS Debussy. The Debussy is a really nice DAC. It left me longing for that increase in musicality, tension, and swing. But still after the comparison, my thoughts even then, was that no way was that DAC worth the extra 7-8k if comparing MSRP’s. But yeah, I wanted that last 5-10% of musical goodness.

Next Yale beta dropped, and at first I was elated by the sound, well still am/was in comparison to Pikes and 1.2.1, but upon further listening and actual A-B comparisons of 1.2.1 and Yale beta, issues were discovered. I think Tarnished Ear’s (I think that is the correct username) described my issues very well in that beta thread. Unlike him and others though, Yale beta was still miles better than any of the previous firmware’s, and yes while for a few tracks I might prefer 1.2.1, but it was only for a few.

But each of these firmware’s also had me thinking back to my bad experience with the Perfectwave. I hated each firmware introduced for the Perfectwave, and always stuck with the original for both the Mk1 version and the Mk2 version. And so here was Yale beta following Pike’s and both were going in a similar direction of more and more detail, yet losing the soul of the music. However my glimmer of hope was at least Yale beta added some much needed musicality in comparison to Pikes.

But now my digital journey is done, Yale final is remarkable. And probably the most remarkable thing about it, is that for the first time on this firmware rollercoaster, Ted and Co. listened all of the noise on this board, picked out the consistent issues mentioned, and in a few weeks time they addressed them incredibly well.

As mentioned I have a good amount of time with some of the uber-DAC’s, in fact just this past Monday I heard the Totaldac again and the week before I heard the DCS Scarlatti stack, and I think the Directstream is now doing so many of the great things they do. Scarlatti could be in trouble, I think the Directstream is certainly the on par with the DCS Debussy now, possibly better, would love to do a comparison again. The Totaldac has nothing to fear as it is a very special DAC, but still the price gap is extreme.

So either way I’m done unless I win the lottery, and then maybe the Totaldac would be cool to throw a little of my millions of dollars at. :)

Sorry for the long rambling, but wanted to express my new found love with this DAC after at times a very frustrating journey.

In conclusion, again thanks and “Checkmate!”

I totally agree with Focal_Point’s assessments.

The only thing that bothers me this far is if the Yale final might be a bit too soft. It is not smeared, though and the softness might also be mistaken for added warmth. I like tube sound because it is less fatiguing, however I still want this unpolished sound. Everything now sounds ‘DSD’ for good or bad. I believe the OS signature now is of such a character that ones system could be tuned to ones personal taste.

Frode said I totally agree with Focal_Point's assessments.

The only thing that bothers me this far is if the Yale final might be a bit too soft. It is not smeared, though and the softness might also be mistaken for added warmth. I like tube sound because it is less fatiguing, however I still want this unpolished sound. Everything now sounds ‘DSD’ for good or bad. I believe the OS signature now is of such a character that ones system could be tuned to ones personal taste.

I would have to agree, in my system the vocal has definitely softened with Final Yale compared to a more defined vocal of beta Yale. Perhaps this is a more natural life sound time will tell as it grows on me.

Excellent work PS Audio team.

Thanks

Johno

Paul and company will there be a continuence of beta and final release and of so can we have maybe one more as well.

Perhaps a Yale ver 1

yale ver 2

yale meaning final.

Tomorrow nite ill comment for once I want some time to really evail things.

Again to all thanks for a continuing experience with this product

Exactly what means dsd is soft or perhaps is hard is something that should be discussed at length Ina mother thread. Although I do get your thoughts but to me pcm may be softer than I like it but it is not dsd nor is dsd soft to me. In short there is something about dsd they just seems easy on the brainier simple live music is. I am willing to bet if one had there brain connected to a scanner there is less activity with good dsd than pcm. Me sing less thought process to understand the music.

To All at PS Audio,

I would like to thank everyone at PS Audio for a wonderful outcome with Yale final. The air, light and smoothness in the music is just movingly palpable.

I would like to congratulate Paul and Ted for their decision to release the beta version and to take on board and respond to all the feed back and comment. I am sure that everyone would agree that their decision has resulted in a superior product. It was interesting to read all the responses and perceptions of the posters to the forum regarding Yale beta. I do hope that this strategy is also followed with any future OS versions. Every body benefits. Thanks

John

Yale beta impressed the hell out of me, but I kind of understood what people were saying about PRAT and emotion… a little of the magic of my early DS DAC experiences seemed to be missing. Maybe it was just me, jaded and stressed and always looking for the new novelty?

Maybe not. Yale final has put me straight back into that place where you just keep listening to “one more song” until you have gotten yourself into trouble for not doing all the things you were supposed to do in the past several hours. I’m so, so happy with this DAC. Sincere thanks to all who make it happen.

tony22 said Call it whatever you want, but it wasn't in Yale beta and is in Yale final. I could tell immediately when in listening to the same tunes with Yale beta first, and noticing once again my mind wandering and having no focus on the flow of the music, and then switching to Yale final and not even noticing anything else around me.
I am delighted to read this and will do some careful listening with this in mind. I'm continuing to get a handle on what you and others are experiencing in this regard.
Frode said (it sounds like a polite Englishman).
A sound descriptor I have not seen before - and probably will not again. I like it.

It’s more common than u think

TED, HOW MANY FILES for YALE ,when I down loaded their were 5 files but when I pasted to the san it came up with 7 files, is this right

Well, dvorak beat me to it, but one of the qualities I am hearing with Yale Final is the compulsion to just continue listening to whatever is in the player at the time. Planned playlist be damned. I start off with a single track in mind. Three tracks later and I figure I might as well finish the disc. I have several other things I’m noticing, but for now I’ll just add that I am better able to follow a vocalist or instrument on recordings as a separate element from the whole. This is very compelling to listen to.

smokey said TED, HOW MANY FILES for YALE ,when I down loaded their were 5 files but when I pasted to the san it came up with 7 files, is this right
If the root of the SD card has (at least) the five files you find in the downloaded .zip you will be fine. I just verified that the .zip file that you get when you download now has the correct five files. The file named "LOADER.CFG" has the names of the other four files so the bootloader shouldn't get confused by extra files (I have about 100 files on my SD card, but I don't really recommend that.) You can always delete the other two files after unzipping/dragging the content of the downloaded file to the SD card.

The final Yale is pretty awesome - now it has the same audio qualities that I had initially come to enjoy and love when I got the DirectStream (version 1.2.1?). Warm and rounded but with spades of detail to boot. I was worried that the DS was becoming like just another DAC with Pikes Peak … that worry has been laid to rest.

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Anyone using a JCAT USB card with Yale? Here the DS is not recognized off the JCAT card with Yale, only with a mobo port. I’m wondering if anyone else is running into this - or not. One way or the other, post on the Help forum thread, http://www.psaudio.com/forum/need-help-ask-alex-the-psa-expert/cant-get-directstream-seen-by-yale-usb/#p46470. Thanks,

mark-d said Listening to redbook cd,man oh man,my PRaT and defined bass response is BACK. Yale final has passed the toe tapping test with flying colors.... More later.

Thanks PS Audio…


Hmmm… I may have to try listening to redbook before I completely write-off yale. But my impressions on DSD could not possibly be further from yours impressions of redbook.

After brief listen to Yale final tonight, and I switched back to 1.21, and the magic is back again.

Frode said (it sounds like a polite Englishman).

A sound descriptor I have not seen before - and probably will not again. I like it.

Yes, those are rare but so is Yale.

I used it once in another setting to describe the difference in sound signature between some Meitner gear and a DCS stack that some of my hifi buddies own.

After some more listning this morning what I can say so far say Prefere is Yale beta by a margin .

Later I want to dissect the actual reasons more on this later , but for now it’s too polite for me weather it’s an Englishman or Scott’s man .

It seems as I said before the masses like a more relaxed sound that to me makes things become boring . As sometimes happens most say this way and I head for the opposite direction . What intreges me is why so many want it this way . When real live music is not at all like Yale final . And further more is why would a team go in this direction . After a hours of using the Yale final I went back to beta and was happy again. I then did something I try not to do but just had to do to confirm my thoughts . I turned on and warmed one of my other dacs and conformed it is much more like Yale beta and not like Yale final .

With the other dac there was a set of tubes that became the rage for short while , then faded out it was the Yale final sound . The tubes were Cunningham 6a3 I think . I own two good pairs that sit Ina draw with many others . Most claimed the tubes had that relaxed sound of DSd that so may now seem to want the sound of . The trouble is DSd is not laid back at all it’s easy on our brains to absorb and use . Why I don’t know , but it’s not relaxed in the sense it’s bland or as some say soft. In audio we use many words that lack a real a real meaning for in audio association . As I write on a 5 grade level at best I doubt I can truly describe it properly but I do know what I hear . If it were optical terms being used Yale final is glazed over not sharp . Now I know the details are there but not vibrant . And no turning up,the volume does not make it better just louder and yes it’s easy to play the sound louder . But at any Sound leval it’s still to relaxed for me .

I do enjoy the fact that ps audio keeps allowing the dac to morph and it’s why they are leading in dac development in my opinion .

Al, I’d like to get a sense of your feelings about this. Can you suggest a piece of music that makes this difference between beta and final clear to you?

Yes a few actually.

Try Beuna vista social club tital track it’s a piano LEED in.

Listein to it on Yale beta and then Yale final

the impact of the piano is totally gone and becomes lake luster. And please I am not picking at this firmware and my words stink to describe and some tones I may come across as being harsh I am not.

There is many sounds in the back ground they also become more faint as well. In take final